Date: 2010-04-13 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bracknellexile.livejournal.com
Were you watching QI on Dave last night perchance? And if so, why is Panglish not on the list?

Date: 2010-04-13 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supergee.livejournal.com
I have copy-edited Star Trek books.

Date: 2010-04-13 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuralbuddha.livejournal.com
According to someone I know with a PhD in linguistics, Klingon is the better crafted language and has more speakers.

Date: 2010-04-13 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
I can't speak for how well crafted it is but Esperanto has orders of magnitude more speakers.

Date: 2010-04-13 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuralbuddha.livejournal.com
I'd ask for a source on this but I could probably track down six or seven speakers on my own. Hell, I could download a phrasebook and learn myself.

Date: 2010-04-13 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuralbuddha.livejournal.com
And if it's QI, they change their answers from week to week. Try watching back to back repeats if you don't believe me.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
Can we have one for Celtic languages now?

Date: 2010-04-13 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
Same survey, just Klingon vs Welsh and Gaelic.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
Kill them all! God will know his own!

Oh, hang on, wrong persona.

I mean, yes, why not? It would be an interesting survey.

Date: 2010-04-13 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crm.livejournal.com
erm... Breton ascide, those are all dialicts of the same languge, one is more or less made up, one was dead for about 40 years and you got the name of one wrong.

Date: 2010-04-13 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Well, I've seen signs in Gaelic, I wish I'd seen signs in Klingon.

Date: 2010-04-13 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Klingon Sign would probably say "only a man with no honor would park here between the hours of 9am and 5pm!"

Date: 2010-04-13 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sageautumn.livejournal.com
If I could learn a.. erm.. not popular/not immediately useful to me... language... it'd be one of the Celtic languages.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zornhau.livejournal.com
Medieval German would probably have to come first for martial arts reasons, but yes, there are poems and chronicles in Welsh that I'd love to read in the original.

Date: 2010-04-14 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com
I'm afraid if it were me I'd learn Tolkinean elvish, but that's because I am very very sad.

Date: 2010-04-14 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
Ah, but would you learn Sindarin (more useful for everyday conversation) or Quenya (the more beautiful an scholarly)? And even then there are dialect choices. :-)

Date: 2010-04-14 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sageautumn.livejournal.com
... sad there isn't more Tolkinean elvish/there aren't more books to it?

Date: 2010-04-13 11:14 pm (UTC)
ext_52412: (yotsuba)
From: [identity profile] feorag.livejournal.com
Carson a'bheil thu ag iarraidh an poll seo?

Disclaimer: might be garbled due to excessive recent use of 日本語 getting in the way of everything.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hm. I was surprised to discover that I voted for esperanto but not klingon -- although that probably ought to be the case in general, I expected that I, and that my friends, would find Klingon more often. I'm interested to see everyone else did.

(I assume if -- as unlikely as it seems -- you could vote for both, you should not vote, or vote for whichever was useful more often.)

Of course, there might be times when it might be useful to know EITHER, eg. to keep notes which are not trivially decodable by someone else :)

Date: 2010-04-13 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lpetrazickis.livejournal.com
I would expect Klingon to be more useful for the purposes of indecipherable note-taking. I understand that Esperanto is somewhat similar to Romance and Slavic languages in its grammar and vocabulary.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Indeed, I nearly said it but didn't go that far.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I have watched several TV shows and movies which include Klingon.

:) I have too, but I assumed (?) all of them were designed to have their optimum artistic effect when you find out what the Klingon means when and only when there are subtitles, and have no reason to doubt that, which means that even though I might have understood more, I wouldn't have said it was useful.

Whereas I have -- very very very rarely -- heard something in Esperanto without translation.

Date: 2010-04-13 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
Have you seen Gattaca? A lot of the background speech is in Esperanto.

Also, have you read any of Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat books?

Date: 2010-04-13 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] don-fitch.livejournal.com
I'd rather like to learn to write Arabic -- but that's mostly a matter of wanting to do the ornate calligraphy myself, for which a keyboard (even plus PhotoShop for shaping-to-fit-spaces) seems to be simply inadequate. Not that I ever mastered (or accomplished much in) the "grass script" sometimes used in Japanese poetry manuscript, mind you.

Date: 2010-04-13 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybik.livejournal.com
For a while my brother was learning Manchu..

Date: 2010-04-13 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kashandara.livejournal.com
I've been in a couple of relationships that I'm pretty sure the other party would have taken the break up hints better/faster if I could have given them in Klingon. This is not true of Esperanto...

Date: 2010-04-13 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
My boss is some higher up in the Esperanto society, so probably would just about be more useful than a language I would never need to use.

Date: 2010-04-13 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
This poll needs a third option, for "I have had an equal number of occasions" - in my case, zero for both.

Date: 2010-04-13 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luckylove.livejournal.com
There's a wonderful episode of Frasier where speaking Klingon turns out ot be very important. I think it's my favourite episode.

a more serious poll

Date: 2010-04-14 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remush.livejournal.com
see http://www.freewebs.com/international-languages/
results at http://multivote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/3142


3072 voted on " Which language should be the world's official common language? "

Results today (2010-04-14)
324 English
1964 Esperanto

247 "newly developed language"

Klingon should be mentioned here a few times
(adding your 43 votes here won't change much)

Re: a more serious poll

Date: 2010-04-14 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remush.livejournal.com
Sorry,
Klingon should be mentioned under
"Other existing constructed language" (100 voters)

Re: a more serious poll

Date: 2010-04-14 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remush.livejournal.com
Thanks for your honesty.
"[...]happen slowly [...]"
You are right... much too slowly.
"[...] sprout dialects"
This is assuming that a language like Esperanto will evolve like natural languages did: thanks to illiterates. Analyze how Esperanto evolved during the last century, and you will notice it does follow another pattern.

A common language (as Esperanto) would be a blessing for humanity (well...assuming the values Esperantists are cherishing are taken with the language.)





Re: a more serious poll

Date: 2010-04-15 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remush.livejournal.com
"switch to speaking Esperanto rather silly"

As silly as switching to the Euro, or more?

"Something like Globish"
or like Basic English, or Kitchen French or Vulgar Latin?

Why would a complete language not suit you as worldwide second language?
What is missing is the political will.

However, something like Mandarin Chinese is even more likely. The disadvantage is that you must start learning now, or your grand children will be left behind.

languages

Date: 2010-04-14 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mankso.livejournal.com
Mi parolas Esperanton jam de pli ol 60 jaroj, kaj neniam havis okazon paroli la Klingon-an au ech interesighi pri ghi.
Auskultu foje podkaston en Esperanto che Radio Polonia:
http://www.polskieradio.pl/eo/
au vizitu chiu-jaran kongreson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Congress_of_Esperanto
The point is 'universal bilingualism' - YOUR ethnic language for you + non-ethnic Esperanto for all, NOT 'one language for the world' as is presently happening with World English!
Tá mé ag foghlaim na Gaeilge anois - tá sí teanga an-dúshlánach. There's some Irish for you too!

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