Date: 2010-02-23 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princealbert.livejournal.com
I like the way that the options change order randomly each time.

You obviously didn't scroll right and refresh the page.

It seems like the browsers are grouped on popularity. The groups just happen to be the same size as the width of the frame. Refreshing changes the order with the group only.

For instance Flock will never appear in the front window...

Date: 2010-02-23 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
Interesting. After Chrome, Firefox, Safari, IE & Opera, I had never heard of those other browsers.

Date: 2010-02-23 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
K-Meleon annoys me by being one of those wacky misspelt names that I associate with US businesses. It was months before the penny dropped and I realized the intention is for it to be 'Chameleon'; when clearly it is named Kay Melly-on, presumably in tribute to jazz musician George Melly.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
I spotted it a fair while before Phoebe did, which isn't saying much. But that's different!

Date: 2010-02-24 03:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] darkoshi
Oh, chameleon; I didn't realize that was what the name was based on. I thought it was a strange name, which happened to make me think of melons.

Date: 2010-02-24 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
My point exactly!

I think the thing with all these wacky names is that they are geared to a US accent, or at least an understanding of the rules. Apache Solr, for instance, is just 'Soller' to me (at a push), and never 'Solar' -- probably works on the postvocalic 'r' those hick statesians use...

Date: 2010-02-23 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.livejournal.com
I don't know most of them (because I'm a GNU/Linux user) but Flock is what AOL recommend to ex-Netscape users - essentially a skinned version of Firefox with some 'social networking' extensions built in...

Date: 2010-02-23 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
I hadn't even noticed the scrollbar...

Maxthon, whatever that is, can't use the spacebar and has a broken download page. And has pictures of iPads on their site but can't tell me if it's for OS X or Windows. The number of bad sites that can't even do the basics of marketing is astounding.

Date: 2010-02-25 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Exactly. And Sleipnoir proudly states that it uses Trident, the IE engine, meaning that it's the most compatible for websites.

Hmm, has there been an IE that passes the acid test yet?

Date: 2010-02-23 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missedith01.livejournal.com
Homeopathy can have a placebo effect. So does that mean it works?

Date: 2010-02-23 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missedith01.livejournal.com
But a person who believes in homeopathy would not have the same belief in a glass of water or a glass of coke. So they would not have the same effect.

I'd say that something has to work better than the placebo effect for it to actually be defined as working.

I don't disagree. But the placebo effect is fascinating.

Date: 2010-02-23 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princealbert.livejournal.com
No.
For a start in a peer reviewed test you would have to compare it to the results from a placebo.

Then you have the problem that by legitimising a placebo as a drug, you can't actually prescribe a placebo when its really needed. (Rare - but physicians do have to prove that someone isn't just reacting with a short-term placebo effect with every treatment given, and obviously by the numbers of people taking these commercial placebos this does happen.)

And then there's the issue of millions of pounds of NHS/tax being spent on charlatans, quacks, water and sugar pills every year. Nevermind the fact if homeopathy finally gets discredited then academia could stop wasting time proving it still doesn't work and we may actually get some medicine research done in those man hours.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missedith01.livejournal.com
Oh sure, it would not survive the rigours of evidence-based medicine. If that's what we mean by "works" it certainly does not.

I'm against NHS money being spent on it as well, apart from anything else it involves conniving and deception, also we have limited resources and should spend them more wisely.

Date: 2010-02-23 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Most of my friends now seem to know what a browser is. I remember as recently as 2005 that wasn't the case -- people who used the internet went blank when you said 'Internet explorer' or 'web browser'. But I still think there's an army of users out there who still have no idea and who will just look at this screen and go 'gaaaaa'? Especially as, how are you meant to decide? They all say 'I am REALLY good'. If I hadn't used all of them, I would be utterly confounded by the choice presented to me. I can see this is what MS had to do to satisfy the EU, but I can't help but think it's going to be wasted -- or worse -- on most people.

And Opera is still shit.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
It kind of goes against the idea that computers should 'just work' though -- that users shouldn't be faced with choices that are not relevant to them.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
Is it really about the browser though? Unless I am missing something, Microsoft have little to gain financially from people using IE. It is essentially given away free - as are most other browsers. The value presumably lies in the ability to default all IE searches to Bing, to maximise the ad revenues they then get from people clicking on adwords or paid search results.

Firefox and Chrome both select Google as the default search engine on installation, something I am surprosed Microsoft have not pointed out and objected to.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
That's a lovely idea in principle, but rather falls down as soon as you have companies who have a vested interest in people making an 'irrelevant' choice a particular way. I doubt you could get computers to 'just work' in that way unless you had all software produced (or approved to stringent criteria) by a centralised authority and called by perfectly generic names instead of brands. And that would have its own set of unacceptable disadvantages too, of course.

Date: 2010-02-23 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
You seem to be describing Apple! ;)

Date: 2010-02-23 01:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
That hadn't actually occurred to me while I was writing that description, but it did occur to me shortly afterwards :-)

Date: 2010-02-23 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
*strokes his just-works iMac*

Date: 2010-02-23 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Me at work:

Person On Phone: So I'm trying to [x thing while building a webpage in our CMS] and it's throwing up [x error]. Can you tell me what I do? How do I log this bug?
Me: Are you using Internet Explorer?
POP: Yes. I know I'm supposed to use Firefox, bu- [beeeeeeeeeeeeeep...]


(Sorry, somewhat OT, but I'm at work and get to constnantly tell university workers to stop using IE to edit their webpages. It's kind of fun!)
Edited Date: 2010-02-23 03:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-23 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com
Well at least they know what they're using!

What are their reasons for using IE though?

Date: 2010-02-23 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Usually it's just that they don't understand why Firefox would be better, and it looks different which is scary, so they just don't bother. It's on the managed desktop and everything.

This of course being only one of the myriad problems with the principally lovely idea of having a CMS user friendly enough that every administrator in the institution can theoretically be taught to use it.
Edited Date: 2010-02-23 03:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-02-23 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
They get put on training for that, too. Although it only moderately helps. But then, that's what QAs are for.

Date: 2010-02-23 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
PS: PSSST I GOT AN INTERVIEW FOR THE ZOO JOB!

Date: 2010-02-23 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princealbert.livejournal.com
Hehe, which cage did you apply for?

Date: 2010-02-23 06:20 pm (UTC)

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