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Date: 2010-01-18 04:13 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:28 pm (UTC)Of course, we'll all be living in The Matrix by then, so it won't matter :->
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:28 pm (UTC)Thanks to
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-18 04:41 pm (UTC)I think in 100 years time we won't be eating as much fish because most species we commonly eat will have become extinct (cod, haddock, tuna..).
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:43 pm (UTC)I don't find the idea of vegetarianism/veganism objectionable - if people want to be veggie then fine - but I do object to all the activists/campaigners shoving it down my throat (no pun intended), trying to claim the moral high ground over me and telling me I'm wrong for eating meat.
It's as bad as organised religion!
* - that and I love a good rare steak.
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:46 pm (UTC)(Christimentalist: Christian Fundamentalist - courtesy of Jenny's wonderfully warped brain)
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Date: 2010-01-18 04:51 pm (UTC)We're a lot closer to being able to grow extruded animal protein product (as opposed to, say, a finely textured sirloin steak) in tanks than most people think. And the logic of factory farming dictates that once it gets cheap enough, vat-grown product will drive out animal product -- there'll be less wastage.
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Date: 2010-01-18 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-18 04:56 pm (UTC)Although I didn't tick any of the boxes in the second part, I do think that people who eat milk but not lamb for ethical reasons are kidding themselves.
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Date: 2010-01-18 05:08 pm (UTC)The only group I find slightly silly are the people who claim to be "vegetarians" but also eat fish.
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Date: 2010-01-18 07:40 pm (UTC)I think the environmental impact will be deemed a more deciding factor, rather than morality. I know omnivores who've cut down their meat intake to a couple of times a week because of climate change concerns. I do think (looking at how we see lots of meals of yore) there will be certain dishes where in 50 years people think 'EW! They ate WINGS!'
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Date: 2010-01-18 05:14 pm (UTC)Shurely shome mishtake? 'the nom will be'.... ;)
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Date: 2010-01-18 05:14 pm (UTC)As a former vege, I found it excrutiatingly irrating to say I was a vege, but be presented with fish. My tag line was "nothing with a face or a mother" - that made it pretty clear. Hence my aversion to pescatarians - they gave true veges a bad name back in the day.
Nowadays, my aversion to a vege diet would be that it is not a healthy diet for humans (in general), and particularly unless you go out of your way to make it so, and are knowledgable about what you eat. Same would probably be said for a vegan diet. But - hey - great if it works for you (it did not for me, or two of my close friends who'd been veges for many, many years).
The one thing I do have to say in support of many vegans I know is that they generally eat better of what they do eat - organic, free range, whatever. I do think that this is really important. I'm putting my foot down with J abouthappy meat from now on, and we're getting an organic vege box too. My reasons are moral, on both meat and vegetables, rahter than dietary (though I'm sure it'll help).
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Date: 2010-01-18 05:15 pm (UTC)slight difference between "silly" and "morally objectionable", but fair enough for a shorthand. and if people have genuine medical reasons for their diet, that's fine.
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Date: 2010-01-18 05:25 pm (UTC)The only people I have an objection too are carnivores who somehow believe that meat is the only truly tasty substance on earth, and that a dish without meat in it is inevitably bland and unsatisfying - it bespeaks a staggering ignorance of the tastes and textures that can be conjured up without meat. My father-in-law is one of these people, he is very silly. I think most meat-evangelists are just set in their ways and haven't explored alternatives, but after embarking on a diet without meat I find myself healthier, richer, less depressed and less worried about the insane ways my food may have been industrially processed on the way to the supermarket, so it certainly works for me.
If you want to know why a lot of people nowadays seem to believe that meat is for every meal, and not an occasional thing, I suspect there are some rich and powerful livestock farming lobbyists out there who know the answer.
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Date: 2010-01-18 06:16 pm (UTC)That's a bit of a sweeping statement there.
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Date: 2010-01-18 06:09 pm (UTC)Having seen Kill It, Cook It, Eat It recently I'm going to try to to buy pig-based meats without it being free range too. Which is going to make bacon hard to come by.
I find the idea of being a pescatarian a bit silly. Why are fish any different from any other animals? I find the views of all objectionable when they think they're on the moral high ground. I'm particularly reminded of the vegan in Kill It, Cook It, Eat It who didn't even believe in putting a sick animal to sleep. He believed it better to let it die naturally in pain than to put it out of it's misery. But generally, I don't find any morally objectionable!
I really really hope that we remain omnivores and we remain farming. A lot of people don't seem to realise that the farming of animals is part of what keeps our countryside looking the way it is. If we suddenly stopped farming sheep I dread to think what the Welsh hillsides would look like...
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Date: 2010-01-18 06:14 pm (UTC)Or as it seems to be at the moment, the meat-in-a-roll diet.
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Date: 2010-01-18 06:15 pm (UTC)Personally, I reckon there's nothing wrong with eating meat provided it's sourced from a decent free-range, organic farm - not because it produces meat that's healthier for us (because it's looking more and more like it doesn't), but because that at least means that the animals are well treated and lead healthy and active lives before being turned into cutlets, steaks and burgers.
In 100 years time, I reckon the average diet will be omnivorous, but unless vat-grown meat has really taken off, there will be a lot less meat and fish (probably something like WW2 ration levels). People won't think we were barbarians for eating as much meat as we do, but rather for keeping animals in the horrendous conditions present in most industrialised farms.
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Date: 2010-01-18 08:11 pm (UTC)A few months ago I experimented with meat after trying a normal haggis [prompted by buying one for a ladyfriend] and discovered I could handle it fairly well. Then abject poverty drove me to buying chicken from FarmFoods, which to my overwhelming surprise I can eat with no problems at all.
I still avoid dairy and eggs because they are pure concentrated evil. Likewise soy and chickpeas. And fish. Thus I am no longer a living biohazard, and can survive on 20p a week.
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Date: 2010-01-18 08:53 pm (UTC)Things that do wind me up are:
- pontificating vegetarians / vegans wearing leather
- people who eat dairy, but object to my free range organic chicken due to 'cruelty'
- just about anything to do with Peta
- militant animal rights activists (I'm thinking the idiots that set lab animals free, fling paint at eople & harass people trying to work for a living).
The vast majority of vegetarians / vegans I know are none of the above, make their choices for their own reasons & generally refrain from pontificating.
Oh aye & Heather Mills makes me want to buy a fur coat & lump of foie gras ;)
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Date: 2010-01-18 11:25 pm (UTC)