Andronormativity
Jan. 11th, 2009 12:49 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
If I was checking that two males friends were coming over soon I'd say "You guys coming over soon." - and I went to say something like this on IM to Morag (about her and Erin coming over for BSG) and paused, unsure what the right thing to say was when talking to two female friends...
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Date: 2009-01-11 03:10 pm (UTC)Aside: I use feminine words to refer to men a lot though.
I also call people duckie.
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Date: 2009-01-11 04:53 pm (UTC)Other options might include "you ladies," although unless it's coming from a woman that might be construed as condescending, or "you and erin", which specifies the particulars of who's included in the invitation.
My opinion generally is that whatever is most natural is probably fine, because anything else is going to sound like you stopped to think it out, which is kind of distasteful to realize in any situation.
black american english has a solution!
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Date: 2009-01-19 05:32 am (UTC)Anyway, the theory is most put forward by linguist Michael Montgomery, Distinguished Professor Emeritus of English and Linguistics at the University of South Carolina in Columbia, whose evidence includes a letter written in 1737 by an Irish immigrant in New York to a friend back home. This construction eventually would be Americanized (or possibly one could say "Southernized" or "drawled"?) into "y'all."
Considering the "lazy speech" of my fellow Southerners, I can see an easy progression here: "ye aw" becomes "y'aw" which then becomes "y'all" as it gets drawn out further. I suspect Southern Americans are one of the few breeds of English-speakers that can make a one syllable word last 15 syllables (& turn three syllables into two, at best). *chuckles*
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Date: 2009-01-11 08:24 pm (UTC)I have been known to use "guys" (masculine pronouns being default in English and all) but I try not to.
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Date: 2009-01-11 10:18 pm (UTC)I also turn it up with "When are you two fabulous creatures coming over to decorate my couch so stylishly and intelligently as you do?"
But that is just me being me.
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