Date: 2008-11-13 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-s-b.livejournal.com
Sunday-Monday is my weekend, therefore the week starts on Tuesday. i don't hold with this religious mumbo jumbo about Sabbaths.

Date: 2008-11-13 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
Sunday is and has always been the start of a new week. Monday is just the first day of work.

Date: 2008-11-13 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
So when someone asks you what you did at the weekend do you tell them about Saturday and the Sunday that came before it?

Date: 2008-11-13 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
And if someone asks you what you did at the weekend do you include friday night or not?

Point is moot.

Date: 2008-11-13 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
Generally, no, actually.

But it's "the" weekend, not two different ends of separate weeks, and to some degree it's a whole separate entity. Everyone knows that "week days" refers to Mon-Fri, so it seems odd to say the "week" starts on a day that is none of them.

Date: 2008-11-13 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
Common Usage doesn't mean something becomes correct because everyone says it is so.

Date: 2008-11-13 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
I think you'll find that given enough time it absolutely does when you're talking about language.

Date: 2008-11-13 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
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Date: 2008-11-13 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
If you're claiming that leetspeak is now, or is likely to become, "common useage" then I can see we're going to disagree on a hell of a lot more than what a weekend is.

Date: 2008-11-13 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
I was being flippant and making a straw man argument for comic effect. Sadly it was lost on the humourless. At this point I can't be bothered arguing with you further. I guess we couldn't even agree on the correct spelling of usage. Ho hum.
Edited Date: 2008-11-13 11:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-11-13 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
SPELLING flames? Not only spelling flames, but spelling flames you deliberately come back to edit your comment to include?

Yeah, I'm the humourless one.

Date: 2008-11-14 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
Given you used quote marks, it appeared to be you deliberately trying to make something of the word usage, which given it was in the context of common usage, looked like a attack.

P.S. the edit was initially for a typo from "los ton" to "lost on" but I noticed your quoted section on review. I guess you just are after an argument now, huh? And you brought a friend too.. how precious.

Date: 2008-11-14 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hawkida.livejournal.com
I used quote marks because I was quoting you. I made a spelling mistake. I haven't brought a friend along at all, I just went to bed. I have never encountered [livejournal.com profile] interactiveleaf in my life.

Date: 2008-11-14 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-phil.livejournal.com
Have you always been and asshole, or do you do some sort of training?

Date: 2008-11-14 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
I didn't spark this argument, I'm just better at it. Up until her response to my leetspeak joke, it was merely a conversation. Throw in a couple of misunderstandings and you have a standard argument on the internet - irrelevent and quickly forgotten.

I must confess that I don't really care what you think of me, not just because you are someone random on the internet, but because your view is made on limited imformation. However that you would make such a snap judgement and call someone an asshole probably says more about you than me.

Date: 2008-11-14 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
Sadly it was lost on the humourless.

No, it just wasn't very funny.

Date: 2008-11-13 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captainlucy.livejournal.com
I know technically Sunday is the first day of the week (the Sabbath being Saturday), but when you work a 9-5, Monday-Friday job, technicalities sort of get thrown out the window.

Date: 2008-11-13 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I know Sunday is traditional, but a weekend-divided week is much more natural to most people nowadays (though I'm surprised so many). Certainly if I'm looking at a diary of a week, it helps to see Sat and Sun together for lots of reasons.

However, I'm interested it seems no-one ever thinks of weeks starting on Sat. Is it a philosophical preference, that you want your "recreation" after you "work"? (I half-expected to be the only loner who did.) Or is it because Fri night feels like part of the w/e? Or just because diaries are printed like that?

Date: 2008-11-14 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickwick.livejournal.com
Can anyone explain WHY Sunday is the traditional start of the week? I mean, isn't it meant to be the day of rest, and wouldn't you normally have that at the end of a week, not the start?

My work tries to insist that weeks start on Saturday, which is a BBC thing - all the TV schedules run Sat-Fri.

Date: 2008-11-14 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com
Possibly something about starting with a religious day? A week is a man-made construct so it wouldn't surprise me for it to be religiously in mind.

Date: 2008-11-14 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henriksdal.livejournal.com
isn't it on the 7th day that He rested or something? Making, in Christian world, the Sunday being the 7th and last day of the week, which is what how I always felt about days.

OTOH isn't the 7 day week from the Babylonians?

Date: 2008-11-14 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
On the 7th day the Lord rested. The sabbath is indeed the last day of the week. But sabbath is a Hebrew word, and the Jewish sabbath is Saturday, hence why Sunday is the first day of the next week. Quite how Christianity came to decide Sunday was to be the sabbath I have no idea.

Date: 2008-11-15 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I think, possibly, as someone else suggested, they were confused by Easter.

Date: 2008-11-15 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
OTOH isn't the 7 day week from the Babylonians?

Well, I'm fairly sure the proto-myth that both Babylonian and Christian creation myths come from is the same.

Date: 2008-11-14 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-phil.livejournal.com
Where is the beginning of a circle.

Date: 2008-11-14 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seph-hazard.livejournal.com
Sunday, but then I'm a Christian and go to church and I don't have a job, so the day I go to church feels like the start of a new week. If that makes sense. Though I always go to church for Mass on a Wednesday too, but that's different [grin] I don't know why, it's just a gut feeling!

Date: 2008-11-14 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com
I really have three different answers.

First; I was brought up to believe it was Sunday, that Sunday is the 'right' answer to this question (and it's what I've ticked) -- it's the day of the Resurrection and therefore starts the week anew.

Second; my working week starts on Monday and like many people I think 'hey, ho, a new week'.

But third: I don't work Fridays, and in many real senses my actual week, the important week, the week that matters, starts at 6pm on Thursday evening.

Date: 2008-11-15 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Yeh, I've never understood it either, because I always thought that the week in Christianity is logically defined with the 'day of rest', ie: Sunday, representing the seventh day (when God rested) in the creation myth, and therefore demonstrably the end of the week since that particular creation myth is the 'reason' for the seven day week. But my Grandad insists on his calendars having Sunday at the start, and will go as far as to cut them up and stick them together again if they're 'wrong'.

Date: 2008-11-14 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andabusers.livejournal.com
My food arrives on Tuesday. Thus it is the beginning of the week. :)

Date: 2008-11-14 05:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] intelligentrix.livejournal.com
Curiously, I find that when I go to buy a calendar I am given the choice of ones that have Sunday at the beginning of a new row of days and some that have Monday. My natural inclination is to get the one starting on Monday, simply because I like to be able to write my weekend plans across both Saturday and Sunday. However, in looking around the office I notice that all our calendars start the row with Sunday. Hmm.

When I visualize the week in order to figure out, say, what date next Wednesday will be, I see it as a series of hills and valleys of differing heights, with Saturday and Sunday being the lowest points.

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