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Date: 2008-09-04 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robhu.livejournal.com
I for one welcome our new Robotic Jellyfish overlords.

Date: 2008-09-04 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draconid.livejournal.com
Obviously the local Income Tax doesn't actually affect us but we calculated how much it would cost us if they decided to follow suit and introduce it in Wales. We'd end up paying an extra £600 or so a year - far more than most of the people around us I'm sure (as we're in a fairly poor area but are on fairly good incomes). While in theory I prefer something based on income rather than where you live, it doesn't seem to take into account houses with several earning adults (such as two parents with say a working kid). Suddenly the amount of money these families are paying out could triple. I'll be interested to see what the finer details are.

Date: 2008-09-04 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henriksdal.livejournal.com
Initially I could see this benefitting me, if SNP are saying it'd be a "3p" tax, they mean 3p for every pound I earn? Assuming Debbie doesn't pay it, as a student, then this would be 1/3rd of our current council tax bill - brilliant!

BUT THEN I read your comment and your point reminds me of the Poll Tax - taxed per per person, not per household, which put large and often low income families at a massive disadvantage while small, well off families paid less. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out!

Date: 2008-09-04 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
SNP announce plans to replace Council Tax with local Income Tax
Also vaguely in favour - I've been moaning for income-assessed council tax since before I was paying it, but like everyone else, I'm concerned how it will pan out. The usual problem with income-assessed tax is that it relies on the assessment of how much you can afford actually being fair and reasonable...

Date: 2008-09-04 10:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
I'm vaguely in favour - largely because I know so many people who get caught by problems with council tax. But I suspect there'll be horrible teething problems.

Leaving aside the fact that I'd get it in the neck to the tune of a couple of thousand quid a year extra (my flat was low-balled in it's initial CT valuation), there's a huge can of worms here.

What about second homes? Do you pay an extra 3% income tax for each house you own? What about landlords?

What about folks who live in England and have a second home in Scotland? (See also landlords who live in England and own Scottish properties.)

How is it to be collected? HMRC said "fuck off, not our job". Are you going to have to fill out a second, local, income tax return for Holyrood?

What about poor folks who are currently below the income tax threshold (it goes up to £7000 next year, IIRC)? How is the extra 3% income tax going to be banded, or is it going to be a regressive flat-rate tax on everyone?

I can see ways in which this local income tax could be worse than the hated Poll Tax of yore, if they choose to administer it that way. I'm not opposed to LIT in principle -- other than the very personal principle that 200% tax increases hurt, and obviously that doesn't apply to everyone -- but what it really looks like to me is the SNP trying to force Westminster to split HMRC's administration of taxes so that if they go for independence post-2010 they'll already have the tools in place to raise income tax directly.
Edited Date: 2008-09-04 10:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-09-04 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
What about second homes? Do you pay an extra 3% income tax for each house you own?

No. Income tax is based only on earnings, not on property you own.

What about folks who live in England and have a second home in Scotland?

This is a good question and one they will need to resolve. Since it is mostly going to be high-erners who own more than one home, it will be in their interests to declare their property in England to be their place of residence and pay English taxes. How they plan to resolve this one I am not sure.

landlords who live in England and own Scottish properties

The tax will not be linked to property. They will not need to pay it. Besides which, landlords don't pay council tax currently, it is the responsibility of the tennant(s).

Date: 2008-09-04 11:12 am (UTC)
ext_58972: Mad! (Default)
From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
Landlords offloading a tax they were liable for (the rates) onto tenants was one of the objectionable aspects of the Poll Tax.

I have difficulty seeing this as a net win, especially as, like the poll tax, LIT schemes decouple the property tax from the property.

Date: 2008-09-04 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
Was the landlord previously liable for the rates as opposed to the tennant? That surpsises me, but I was still at school when we last had rates so I don't know. In reality it makes no difference I suppose as landlords will just add the cost onto the monthly rent and the tennant will end up paying anyway.

Which form of taxation is preferable depends on your political ideology really, whether you believe wealth should be redistributed or not. The Poll tax assumed we should all bear the burden equally, income tax varies it directly in accordance with your ability to pay. Council tax is a bit of a fudge, somewhere between the two and based on the assumption that high earners live in more expensive houses, which is not always the case.

Date: 2008-09-04 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigeonhed.livejournal.com
The result of LIT will be a huge increase in the service provision differential between rich and poor areas. 3% from everyone who lives in a relatively wealthy area allows for plenty to be done, but 3% in a poor area where services and facilities are already run down or non-existent?

Date: 2008-09-04 05:06 pm (UTC)
ext_58972: Mad! (Default)
From: [identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com
This is an existing really bad problem in parts of the USA, where LIT (or a poll tax) are common ways of paying for services. Once a neighbourhood starts going downhill it haemorrhages high-income natives (because a disproportionate burden falls on their shoulders), which accelerates the collapse.

The way around it would be for the LIT to be collected nationally and allocated by central government to local government bodies according to need -- but this gives central government a choke-chain to strangle local authorities they disagree with ((c) Margaret Thatcher, 1984 -- see also "Poll Tax").
Edited Date: 2008-09-04 05:07 pm (UTC)

Google Chrome

Date: 2008-09-04 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henriksdal.livejournal.com
Look, I just found the only useful feature:

"For times when you want to browse in stealth mode, for example, to plan surprises like gifts or birthdays, Google Chrome offers the incognito browsing mode. Webpages that you open and files downloaded while you are incognito won't be logged in your browsing and download histories; all new cookies are deleted after you close the incognito window. You can browse normally and in incognito mode at the same time by using separate windows."

Yeah... gifts and birthdays... yeah..

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