Joss Whedon

Date: 2025-01-14 01:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I've not been following the Joss Whedon stuff at all. I enjoyed Firefly when I watched it about 10 years after it was cancelled. I've never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer and I'm not a huge fan of superhero films. I don't doubt that the sketchiness of his behaviour is well documented officially.

But on an initial reading of the linked to article I don't think the article does a great evidential job. There seemed to be a lot of Prominent Person X says Joss Whedon behaved badly. Joss Whedon sort of shrugs his shoulders but in the light of all the other people saying Joss Whedon behaved badly in a different way in a different time and place we should accept that allegation as true. The actual evidence might be significantly more robust but the article seems to rely on lots and lots of similar fact evidence leaning on each other.


I'm in favour of the Moorov Doctine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorov_v_HM_Advocate

but, to my not-at-all-following-the-story eye the article feels like industry gossip.

Which, to be clear, is a comment on the article not on Joss Wheadon's behaviour.

Re: Joss Whedon

Date: 2025-01-14 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Rubbish boss seems to sum up most of it.

And I'm mindful of the different contracting mechanisms and power dynamics and how performing arts works. Being a rubbish boss in a play or film production filled with contractors is perhaps a bit different from being the CEO of a company people work for permanently. I think.

Performing arts is bit of a reputational business. And I think one of the things people are considering are how easy people are to work with. (Downside of this is that the old boys' network is very real and not always used for good.)

Say you are filming on location. A difficult, unpleasant, expensive location - the desert, it's hot, sandy, miserable. The director and the producer say to the main cast -we're not 100% sure what we want from you guys artistically, so we'd like to do a couple of different takes, but also we're mindful that it's really really hot and I don't want to pay extra for an unscheduled location overrun, so we'd like to do those takes really early in the morning, make sure we get them and get them done - so Big Name Stars can you be on set ready to go at 4am - and please make sure you've learned both sets of lines so we can work quickly.

Big Name Star A says - , sure thing, that sucks for everyone, but let's get Art done and I'll bring some iced coffee from my private stash to share with the make up crew first thing.

Big Name Star B says - talk to my agent, I'll see at my contractually agreed half-ten start, screw your budget and your extras.

If you were the director or the producer which one would you want to work with again? Is it threatening to ruin B's career if you tell other people that they were hard to deal with on set? Part of your job as a producer is to use your power to get things done.

Different thing if you are behaving like a thug towards junior contractors or where your requests are unreasonable or dangerous - like taking a corner too fast in a blue convertible Karmann Ghia on a road that's too bendy. Different thing again if you are using your power to cover up sexual violence.

And I suppose I have a similar blindspot to Wheadon as I do to Adele - just because I don't have huge personal connection to their work doesn't mean other people don't.

Re: Joss Whedon

Date: 2025-01-14 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greenwoodside
I think the thing that most gets to me about Whedon (and also Gaiman) is that they posed as feminists.

It's like finding out that the Director of the RSPCA only eats eggs from battery hens because he likes the extra piquancy lent by the suffering. *

* tangentially, the RSPCA has a CEO not a Director and his LinkedIn suggests he's made his career by being a floating executive in the charity sector, so tbh nothing would surprise me.
Edited Date: 2025-01-14 06:52 pm (UTC)

Re: Joss Whedon

Date: 2025-01-14 05:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ninetydegrees

There have multiple reports from multiple sources saying he was abusive towards co-workers, mostly female ones, and harassed them. That's a bit more than being a "bad boss".

Date: 2025-01-14 02:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
2-3) What these seem to have in common is "man given a great deal of fame and/or power without having learned how to handle it." (Rowling is a different story. She seems to have handled her fame reasonably well; her syndrome is "woman falls down rabbit hole.")

9) This illustrates why I'm reluctant to use new apps and devices. Even if they work, the learning curve is impossibly steep.

Date: 2025-01-14 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ninetydegrees

9) Getting the desktop app to work with my old speakers was an experience I never want to go through again but I can say support was awesome. I can't imagine what the mobile app is like if it's even worse.

Date: 2025-01-14 05:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vivdunstan
2) He's posted a response finally today: https://journal.neilgaiman.com/2025/01/breaking-silence.html

Which led to mega eye rolls from me ...

Date: 2025-01-14 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] movingfinger
In other words, his crisis communications consultants have edited and his legal advisors have approved a document for him to post.

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