Date: 2024-06-19 11:45 am (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
1 And just about everything else beside plus a good dose of child abuse!

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Date: 2024-06-19 12:56 pm (UTC)
channelpenguin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
That's rather a large part of driving..

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Date: 2024-06-19 12:58 pm (UTC)
channelpenguin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
According to Waymo ... and we trust them? I don't think so...

5

Date: 2024-06-19 01:28 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Are the Waymo cars doing comparable journeys to the average person in San Francisco and Phoenix?

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Date: 2024-06-19 04:10 pm (UTC)
movingfinger: (Default)
From: [personal profile] movingfinger
I am very, very skeptical of any self-reported numbers from Waymo or anyone else running a driverless car, because they are well known for massaging their "accident-free miles" data artificially, notably by running cars at night on virtually traffic-free streets. If Waymo is claiming these were rider-only cars, with no backup driver, I would want to see data (anonymized) of the times and distances etc of the rides at the very least. Were they actually hailed Waymos or were they driving a rider Waymo arranged for?

Date: 2024-06-19 02:37 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
People don't seem to get this. It's not sufficient for self-driving cars to be, on average, safer than human drivers if, when they do fail at safety, they do so with a grotesque badness that's beyond normal human capacity. And there have been numerous such incidents in San Francisco.

Date: 2024-06-20 11:38 am (UTC)
armiphlage: Ukraine (Default)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Insurance companies will focus on the total cost; if the day-to-day savings outweigh the cost of a car occasionally smashing through a shopping mall food court, then they'll raise the rates charged to human drivers and force a swift changeover to automated vehicles.

Date: 2024-06-20 05:48 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
That would be another example of insurance forcing people into doing things against their, and society's, interests.

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