Date: 2023-11-02 01:25 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: chiara (chiara)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Well,as a trans woman and one with Jewish ancestry, I know all about the kind of compassion you get from that rag the Guardian!

Date: 2023-11-02 03:24 pm (UTC)
simont: A picture of me in 2016 (Default)
From: [personal profile] simont
#8: off the top of my head, my first thought is that that need not be a contradiction at all.

There's a large class of things that improve the experience of the person doing them, but worsen the experience of people in general. Namely, anything with significant externalised costs, so that doing the thing is selfish, benefiting you at the expense of those around you. I wouldn't go as far as to say that religion is necessarily one of those, but it certainly seems to me that some forms of religion can be; most obviously, the ones that include intolerance or bigotry in their belief systems, or just in their in-practice behaviour.

The article also mentions that religious countries have lower wellbeing overall, but also a higher contrast between the wellbeing of their religious and non-religious inhabitants. That could very easily be translated as "being a Religious Country is mildly good for the people sharing that religion, and seriously bad for the people who don't, averaging out to a net loss."

Date: 2023-11-02 05:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
The article also mentions that the less religious countries tend to be wealthier. While money doesn't buy happiness, exactly, poverty often causes unhappiness and anxiety. It's not clear to what extent a religious country is less wealthy, considering how many religions order their adherents to do no work one day each week. (Hard to tell, as some such countries are located on top of enormous oil reserves.)

Date: 2023-11-02 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
10. is obvious (probably anywhere except UK?). I've definitely converted a few people to this view in my time. (I haven't drunk alcohol in nearly 20 years. But I knew this before that!).

Date: 2023-11-02 05:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] channelpenguin
26% of under 25s *report* not drinking at all. Wow. Even if any sizeable proportion are fibbing, that's significant. Because that means abstinence from alcohol is seen as admirable ... or at least acceptable. Which is a big change.

Hmm. What proportion of UK under 25s are of one of the religions (or sects) that forbid alcohol? Can't be that high though, even if it's increased...

Date: 2023-11-04 02:50 pm (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
I stopped drinking alcohol at uni forty odd years back due to watching it kill a friend.

Sect wise I'm a Quaker and forbid would be the wrong word (we never order people over belief) but we strongly adivise moderation.
Edited Date: 2023-11-04 02:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2023-11-02 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ninetydegrees

3) and 7) Thanks for the pretty pictures! Definitely marking Scotland as a good place to visit in Autumn.

8) So religion, spirituality or the absence thereof is what you make of it? ;)

Edited Date: 2023-11-02 07:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] anef
So beautiful! We must visit Wandlebury Ring (a local beauty spot with a lot of trees) soon - when it stops raining!

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