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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2019-01-15 08:15 pm

Brexit intensifies

So, today the only government ever to be found in contempt of parliament lost a vote by the largest margin ever suffered by a British government, losing by 230 votes (previous "winner" was Ramsay Macdonald's minority Labour government, losing by 166 votes).

Immediately afterwards, Corbyn lodged a vote of no confidence in the government. The DUP have said they will back the Conservatives, which almost certainly means that the vote will fail*.

The EU wants us to make our mind up, and has now repeatedly said that the withdrawal deal is not open for renegotiation. Which greatly reduces the options we have remaining. So once we the no confidence fails I can't see what else Labour can do but move towards a second referendum.

Which is, according to all recent polls, what the people want. (46% to 28% last I checked).

*It's _possible_ that a few Conservatives will rebel. But incredibly unlikely.
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[personal profile] mountainkiss 2019-01-15 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)

Yes, I think perhaps you're right and it's less depressing if so. I do not have a lot of faith in Mr Corbyn, though.

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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-01-16 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
I am reliably informed that they had decided to pull all the amendments as none of them were going to pass and therefore they wanted to get to the main event.

The one amendment that was not withdrawn was treated with some contempt.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-01-16 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
Me either. The more I look at him the more I think he and I think orthagonally to each other which makes understanding him and trusting him pretty difficult.

He also remains very, very bad at the job of Leader of the Opposition at it has been understood for the last 50 years and not very good (perhaps actively bad) at doing the job of Leader of the Labour Movement as I think he conceives it for the 21st Century.

It's like watching someone play chess using the rules for backgammon whilst unable to find their own arse with both hands tied behind their back.
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[personal profile] mountainkiss 2019-01-16 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
To be fair most people can’t, unless their arms are remarkably long.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-01-16 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I suggest an series of empirical studies to settle the issue.
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[personal profile] skington 2019-01-16 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
I saw it said that not having earlier amendments and skipping straight to the main vote would make it harder for the Tory Whips, as they wouldn’t know who the nailed-on rebels were. Not that, in the end, it mattered.
Edited 2019-01-16 00:45 (UTC)