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Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 12:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alithea
Dear me, while I'm not sure a child of that age can have a sense of entitlement that is gendered, yeah, we have a long way to go :(

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 12:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Kids can be pretty badly behaved to each other before the patriachy kicks in.

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 12:50 pm (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
Yes, but the message I took from the post is that as adults we don't always intervene in the way we should which means they don't always learn that their behaviour is bad in as many ways as it is e.g. around consent and physical boundaries.

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 01:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Aye.

"Kids do the funniest things!"

And I think adults are slow to see that behaviour by a child that is tolerable or containable by an adult is less easily dealt with when it happens between two children.

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 01:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I'm not saying they don't but in addition to that they are often complete bastards to each other in ways that are not gendered or rooted in gender.

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 01:06 pm (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
Possibly around that age, I'm not the best judge! I think a sense of entitlement specifically towards women is quite a nuanced gender stereotype for a toddler though - they presumably feel quite entitled to everyone's attention ;)

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
My observation of toddlers is that very many of them struggle to see that other human beings are human beings too or that all human beings should be treated with respect even when one of the human beings involved in the discussion should have had a nap and a biscuit an hour ago.

Most of them grow up to mostly manage treating other human beings with a base level of respect - at least when other people are watching. A few who struggle to get it manage to pretend that they believe other humans are humans. Again, at least when other people are watching. Some never understand, or care.

One of the things that gender puts in to the mix is that it facilitates the creation of a group of humans who are not *fully* human. But, kids are pretty willing and able to apply "not fully human" to just about everyone one if left to their own devices.

(Which I think gets to Alithea's point about adult intervention, and when that happens and when it doesn't.)

Re: Children learning patriarchy

Date: 2018-01-29 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I am saddened by how quickly and thoroughly kids pick up gendered notions of roles and responsibilities. Even with parents who are trying to actively work against it.

50% of the population

Date: 2018-01-29 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I would like to see similar charts for other UK cities.

Re: 50% of the population

Date: 2018-01-29 12:52 pm (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
Yeah, I'm wondering what it'd look like from Dundee!

Re: 50% of the population

Date: 2018-01-29 02:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Thinking about it over lunch I think the circle from Dundee would get to about the edge of the London circle.

If that London circle has half the population of the UK inside then half the population must be outside it.

There are not many people in the South West and in particular Cornwall. There are not many people north of Aberdeen. So for the purposes of thinking about those circles the UK is roughly a rectangle running from Aberdeen to the South Coast of England, containing 60 million people with roughly even population density except for the fact that there are 10 million people in London. So if you start from somewhere like Dundee (which is about the same distance from Aberdeen as London is from the South Coast) then I think the two circles are going to nudge up against each other pretty closely.

And I think there are therefore only four circles.

One for London and places close to London. One for places north of the midway point between London and Aberdeen. One for places that are close to but south of that point. One for places to the west of the UK, like Cornwall or Northern Ireland.

Re: 50% of the population

Date: 2018-01-29 02:11 pm (UTC)
alithea: Artwork of Francine from Strangers in Paradise, top half only with hair and scarf blowing in the wind (Default)
From: [personal profile] alithea
That certainly sounds plausible.

Re: 50% of the population

Date: 2018-01-29 02:18 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Plausible is the 21st century version of proof.

Delta V

Date: 2018-01-29 12:29 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I'm not sure I follow the Delta V chart. I'll need to have another look and see if it clicks in to place.

Saling Drones

Date: 2018-01-29 12:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
The sailing drones are quite cool. We're going to get a lot of hydrographic data over the next few decades as the robots get better at operating long duration missions without much human day to day interaction.

Collission regulations (not bumping in to things) are still an issue I believe.

Date: 2018-01-29 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
50% population ring: a comment says that they know it's more than 50 miles (from London to Bristol), not because they have any sense of distance, because then they'd know it's far more than 50 miles, but because it's "more than a 2 days ride." On what? Not a car. A bicycle? A horse? Maybe a train, rail service being what it is.

Trump as CEO: a comment says "The Constitution says he can" (give orders to the Justice Dept). No it doesn't. Where do they think it says that? The only thing it says about the civilian officers of the government is that the President can appoint them and demand their opinions on matters relating to their departments. It also says he's Commander in Chief, but only of the armed forces. Them he can give orders to.

Learning the patriarchy: I don't think the point is that the tiny boy is necessarily already acting on the privilege of the patriarchy. The point is that this is how he learns that he can.

Part of the comment says "no one is stopping it and taking her away and protecting her." Taking her away? That won't help. Take him away and give him a little scolding.

Date: 2018-01-29 04:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I think a horse but I think they are thinking of markets and not cities.

There seemed to be a convention in medival England that if a town had a royal charter for a market on a particular day then no nearby town should be granted a charter to have a market on the same day. Nearby being defined as within one day's travel or approximately 7 miles (which I think is 7 miles there, or three hours at the sort of pace I reckon I could manage with a sack of spuds on my back, 7 miles worth of time at the market and 7 miles back - giving a daily distance traveled of about 21 miles or 50 miles in two days if you had a good horse and somewhere to be. However, IIRC the Edinburgh to Glasgow canal boat passenger express made the 50 mile journey overnight. So I'm not at all sure the logic I think the commentator is using stacks up.

Also I think the distribution of cities, rather than market towns, is going to be influenced by other things than how far you can travel on a horse in two-days or walk in a day.

Strava and related stuff - holy shit.

Date: 2018-01-29 10:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
The twitter thread about Strava is interesting - and someone posted a youtube about how easy it is to find and aggregate info about a person. It's an hour long, but well worth the time (I cleaned out my gunky keyboard while listening):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XED-r29_Iw&feature=youtu.be

Holy moly, etc.

Argh.
Edited Date: 2018-01-29 10:59 pm (UTC)

Tigers and Dinosaur Pingpong.

Date: 2018-01-29 10:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
I also want to thank you for the tigers - cats are clumsy selfish individuals no matter the size - big feet in the face. :)

And the drawing of the dinosaur sports are so excellent - thank you thank you.

Cats in boxes

Date: 2018-01-31 11:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] anef
The picture of the leopard inna box made me laugh.

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