Date: 2017-05-19 12:12 pm (UTC)
danieldwilliam: (Default)
From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
Oh, that's a murky issue that Viginia Woolf gets you in to isn't it?

Date: 2017-05-19 02:09 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
I read the entirety of that "he proved ESP is real" article. Turns out he didn't.

Date: 2017-05-19 02:21 pm (UTC)
momentsmusicaux: (Default)
From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
I am both grateful and sorry for you. I started reading, but I find 'documentary'-style articles horribly boring to read, when all I really want is the summary (and my internet-faffing time is limited). I was about to post here to ask if anyone has a TLDR of it, but you've provided one. Thank you! :)

Date: 2017-05-19 03:35 pm (UTC)
calimac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] calimac
To be fair, it's more complicated than that. The article shows that science is "broken" in the sense that standards of rigor in psychological sample-testing are insufficiently rigorous, which is how the ESP article got into the literature.

But that's not a patch on how broken science would be if ESP were proven to be real. All kinds of what we thought were laws of nature and of causality would have to be thrown out if it were. That's what the headline had led me to suspect, and the article seemed to be heading that way, but in the end it didn't.

Date: 2017-05-19 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
Maybe. But if this guy was going to play it that way, the headlines would have already happened when he first announced it. He had at least as much evidence in his study as Pons and Fleischmann, and they got huge headlines. But that's because they announced it in a press conference. This guy wrote a paper with a tentative "I think I've found ..." air to it, and let his colleagues puzzle over it. Had it been real, it would have played out much more slowly, and the article leaves open the possibility that it is, they just don't have the evidence as firmly as they thought.

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