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From: [personal profile] teresafloyd
I've always thought that benefits payable for the feeding, housing and education of young people and children are the economic equivalent of preventative health care.

By supporting people as they get started in life and by allowing them mobility as they ease into independence, society is literally building better and more productive citizens.

It's 'penny wise and pound foolish' to eliminate or restrict those benefits.

Date: 2012-06-27 01:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
James has already got Yellow Submarine, watched bits of it while cooking the other day. Stunningly good, really want to sit down with it when I'm in the mood.

Date: 2012-06-25 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I'm not sure 'people don't like to buy porn in person' is a particularly insightful observation on the future of bookshops. Although I agree with you in the general case they're in an uncomfortable position, the numbers of copies of Shades of Grey they sell doesn't seem to be a great metric...

Date: 2012-06-25 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
now starting to sound horribly dated.

Then an article citing Gawker is in no position to throw stones about "horribly dated" is it?

Date: 2012-06-25 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
All that 50 Shades Of Grey story means is that women who have never read porn before are a shitload more comfortable reading it on their Kindles where nobody will know what they are reading then they are walking around with the most well known BDSM novel in the world in plain view.

Date: 2012-06-25 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
For more about poor people and the value of humanities for them, see The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes.

I admit that I've only read part of the book, but part of it was about how good it was to get a larger perspective and something to think about besides the daily round.
Edited Date: 2012-06-25 12:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-25 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brixtonbrood.livejournal.com
My sources tell me that huge numbers of people are more than happy to sling it into their shopping trolley in Tesco along with the potatoes and loo roll.

My sources also tell me that their FB friends are raving about it in rather too much detail, which tells me that a) they're clearly not ashamed of reading it b) my sources need to get new friends.

Date: 2012-06-25 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Oh... it was the "next big thing" about three years ago then they made some stuff up with the a redesign a year or so back causing massive traffic loss... it wasn't ever *that* popular but sort of looked like it might be the coming thing, briefly. Then it wasn't. Never bothered with it myself. Just seeing it in that article as the keystone of being in touch... well, it's like someone from 2000 saying "he's so backwards he's not got an AoL account yet".

Date: 2012-06-25 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
It's the weird thing about Internet businesses the difference between ubiquity and obscurity is five years.
(Myspace pages, yahoo for search, aol email addresses...)
Edited Date: 2012-06-25 12:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-25 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiffkin.livejournal.com
I've got a copy if you want to borrow it, and some Raymond Williams and Richard Hoggart, if you're interested in working class philosphers.

Date: 2012-06-25 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiffkin.livejournal.com
Sorry, that should be "philosophy" not "philosophers" at the end.

Date: 2012-06-25 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pete stevens (from livejournal.com)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/feb/15/robert-mccrum-freelance-writers-journalists

Average salary of freelance writer falls from ÂŁ7k to ÂŁ4k/year.

So if we're making it impossible for graduates to go into exceptionally badly paid work by not subsidising them isn't that a good thing? If you want to be a freelance writer you're going to have to live with your parents until middle age, perhaps you should do something a bit more useful with your time like learn plumbing even if it's not quite as much fun?

Date: 2012-06-25 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
Gawker is a great example of how to kill a website by not listening to your userbase at all.

They used to have a lot of respect but then started making changes just for the sake of making changes and that turned off large numbers of people.

Then the writers of the articles got jealous when some of the commentators became as popular as the writers so they changed the commenting system around completely and that was a complete and total clusterfuck.

(It used to be that you had to be approved by either a current "starred" commentator or the writer before you could make a comment that would appear. To become a starred commentator with comment approval privileges you had to be given the star as a reward by one of the editors for consistently making sane comments and not being a dick. Once you were approved you could comment all you liked, but if you became abusive you were instantly banned. This made for a lot of really intelligent, respectful discussions. By moving away from this method and instead into an approval method where anyone could approve a comment, suddenly you had Fox News type people posting stuff about "homos" and racist rants against Obama and /b/ posting pictures of child porn and, of course, all the anti-abortion people posting tons of crazy comments.)

When people complained about the changes Nick Denton, the site owner, then publicly stated that he didn't care at all if people liked the site or not and that as long as he got page views through intentionally misleading link bait headlines he was happy.

People said "fuck this shit" and their numbers tanked out completely.

Date: 2012-06-25 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bohemiancoast.livejournal.com
Except that it's shifting a ton of printed copies as well. I haven't read this and assume it's selling to a lot of people who have simply never had access to any erotica, well-written or not, and find they quite like it.

Date: 2012-06-25 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com
Fifty Shades of Grey - not actually doing bookshops any good.
I'm not actually convinced that there will be such a thing as a "bookshop" in 5 years time.


What the article doesn't explicitly say, but is patently obvious if you read between the lines, is that the bookshop in question is an independent bookshop.

Therefore, it's not the case that people aren't buying it from the independent bookshop because they're scared of being seen buying porn. No, the reason they're not buying it is because the independent bookshop isn't even trying to sell it.

Why would they not sell it? The same reason they don't bother trying to sell Harry Potter, or Dan Brown, or any other book thats sells like gangbusters - they simply cannot compete against Amazon/Waterstones/the supermarkets on price. Their price to buy would be higher than the price any of the former group sell it at. So they simply don't bother.

Believe me, the 'fear of being seen with porn' element isn't putting people off any. We have multiple copies at the library and can't keep any of them on the shelves, and people keep coming in and asking for it. They're really not bothered about any stigma attached to it. Which makes sense, really. It's not like plenty of other authors haven't been writing bonkbusters for years.

Also, from what I hear Waterstones are doing jolly good off the back of it, stocking heavily on it and still shifting most of it.

So, to sum up: "Fifty Shades of Grey - not actually doing INDEPENDENT bookshops any good. But that's simply because blockbuster books like that never do, rather than it being anything specific to Fifty Shades of Grey."

Date: 2012-06-25 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com
Nah, all it means is that the person who wrote the story is either (a) an idiot, or (b) wilfully misrepresenting the facts (see my other comment below). Absolutely no-one seems bothered about being seen reading it, from what I've observed. Granted, there may be some who exist, but they're certainly not the majority.

Date: 2012-06-25 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com
I can tell you myself that huge numbers of people are happy to borrow it from their local library. Or, when they can't see it on the shelf (because all the copies have been borrowed), they're happy to enquire about reserving it.

Thankfully, while I have seen a few of my FB friends raving about it, none of them have gone into any great detail.

I can't help but wonder if most of the people who think people should be ashamed of being seen reading it are men who don't realise that books for women have had sex (and lots of it) in them long before Fifty Shades of Grey came around.

Date: 2012-06-25 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brixtonbrood.livejournal.com
Yes, that would be the men who never read Lace, or Jilly Cooper, or Jackie Collins, or any of the reams and reams of werewolf porn.

The women who read 50 Shades are not saying "My goodness! sex, in a book? What a novel idea!". They are saying "Ooh, I like a bit of smut, is this one any good? oh well, never mind I'll try it anyway."

Date: 2012-06-26 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I'm not sure Harry Potter shifted a lot of copies to people who had never had access to school stories or kids books. I think it's just page-turning and trendy, and happens to have been lucky.

Date: 2012-06-26 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Oh yes, that seems logical.

Date: 2012-06-26 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
BluRay Yellow Submarine?!?! Really??? WHEEE!

Date: 2012-06-26 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com
Thank you for this comment.

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