Game of Thrones as a metaphor for US politics

Date: 2012-04-27 11:14 am (UTC)
teresafloyd: (Default)
From: [personal profile] teresafloyd
My only quibble is that I think Daenerys Targaryen becomes a lot more savvy than Sarah Palin has.

They both certainly started out as equally naive.
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From: [personal profile] jack
Yeah, it's amazing how good the correspondance is, that one worked in the specific characteristics it listed, but they didn't really match on the characters.

In fact, before you said that, I'd assumed the picture had been of Cersei: the "far away" doesn't apply, but the "using her children for political power" is far more accurate. After all, Dany starts over her head because she's a brutalised young teenager, but becomes experienced and competent as fast as she can, and cares about helping people more than power. Whereas Cersei probably had little choice but to seize power, but was too ambitious. And Palin seemed to have every opportunity to stay as governor, but closed her ears to any suggestion she was getting out of her depth and marched ahead as fast as possible.
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From: [personal profile] teresafloyd
Agreed!

Cersei is arguably a much better parallel for Palin. The biggest difference is that Palin has ridden much less on the positions of father/spouse/son.

It really is eerie how closely the fiction can be matched to the Game of POTUS.

Date: 2012-04-27 11:29 am (UTC)
innerbrat: (avatar)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Tell me I'm not the only person who thought that Amon was somehow running Catholic schools?

Date: 2012-04-27 11:31 am (UTC)
innerbrat: (avatar)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Because you're a terrible person who is THREE EPISODES short of sheer unadulterated better-than-Community brilliance.

Fix this!

Date: 2012-04-28 08:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Yeah, um, I saw the figure and went "Cracken, I thought he was in it a lot". But then, I read the novelisation before I saw the film (even renting videos took effort where I grew up) and read most of the spin-off sequels for ages. Cracken's a major character, really really big, and, um, if I were still buying the figures I'd want a Cracken figure.

I doubt, however, that they'll do many more characters from Rogue Squadron books, although they'll have done a couple Wedge figures I suspect.
Edited (type: WTF are videons ) Date: 2012-04-28 08:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-27 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
I always thought the standard for Priests reporting things in confession was the same as that for psychologists and psychiatrists.

I.e. if someone tells their shrink or their priest about something they have already done they are not required to report it, because it's something that can't be prevented.

However, if the person tells the priest or shrink about an act of violence or sexual abuse they plan to do in the future then they are required to report it because that could prevent it.

I think that's what the Biship is getting at when he says that they have no problem reporting things as long as they are not said in the confessional. For example, when I was a young Catholic boy I can remember telling a priest in confession that I was planning on cheating on a test. He stopped me cold and told me that I had to talk to him about it outside the confessional. I did so and he had no problem at all telling my dad what I'd said.

The confessional is for shit you've already done and having a shield for that makes sense - but the priests should get the molester the fuck out of the confessional booth when he's not confessing his sins but instead planning sins.

Date: 2012-04-27 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
That would make sense.

I imagine the grey area would be someone confessing that they'd repeatedly done something illegal, such that the confessor will guess they probably will do it again whether they intend to or not.

Although I'm not sure if the furoror is over what the rules actually are, or rather over a suggestion (very true, but probably somewhat inflated by anti-catholic feeling) that many priests will overlook evidence about molestation which they wouldn't overlook about eg murder.

Date: 2012-04-27 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com
If you confess to a murder or other violent crimes a priest won't report it. (Otherwise much of Northern Ireland would have had to give up their faith.)

It's only if you say you are going to murder someone that they will report it - and they still have to get you to say it outside the confessional booth (which wouldn't be that hard with someone very Catholic. You just have say "we need to talk about his in the rectory.)

Date: 2012-04-27 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
"Catholic schools launch 'eurgh, benders' petition"

I honestly assumed that was a link to one of the real news articles about the petition, just with a sarcastic headline on the link...

Date: 2012-04-27 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bracknellexile.livejournal.com
Message in human DNA: "Humanity ver.2.2 (C) God, 3000 BC. You clone, I'll sue!"
Edited Date: 2012-04-27 11:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-27 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
"Game of Thrones as a metaphor for US politics (funny)"

That's awesome, I love the punchline with the last pairing.

Stupid question, which is the politician paired with Tyrion?

Date: 2012-04-27 11:50 am (UTC)
innerbrat: (go baby go)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Is Tyrion the one linked with Stephen Colbert?

Date: 2012-04-27 11:54 am (UTC)
innerbrat: (go baby go)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
The trouble with one knowing more about US politic(al comedy) than Game of Thrones! I could have explained who Colbert was and about his SuperPAC, but I guess you don't need it now?

Date: 2012-04-27 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
) In fact, I don't know much about either -- I know the GoT books (and want to watcht the series), but I've picked up the TV characters mostly from seeing them in memes. And have about the same level of knowledge of american politics -- I recognise all the people on the GoT chart, but don't know that much more than what it says :)

I could have explained who Colbert was and about his SuperPAC

I just looked it up now, but that doesn't seemed to have helped me understand it. It's a new legal dodge that lets candidates raise unlimited amounts of funding? Which is good, because it lets someone popular and non-traditional like Colbert get involved, but terrible because it means that even more so, the election will be decided by campaign contributions rather than votes? Which means Colbert is intending to do... something?

Date: 2012-04-27 12:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Colbert was as far as I know, running his election bid and his SuperPAC as a part of his satirical persona, to illustrate on his show quite how ridiculous the system was.

I have no idea how much was actually raised, or what happened to the money. But it made for good TV.

Date: 2012-04-27 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
Barack Obama = Robb Stark? No.


Someone who starts a major war motivated by revenge without any thought to what would happen if he actually won is clearly George W Bush.

The rest are pretty good though.

Date: 2012-04-27 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacelem.livejournal.com
I'm amused by Renly being matched up to Santorum (I wonder if Santorum would be equally amused?)

I love the bit about Ed Stark/Al Gore going on about climate change, and Robert Baratheon/Bill Clinton is perfect!

Date: 2012-04-27 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
Someone needs to do this for British politics.

I thought of a couple:
Ed Milliband = Renly Baratheon: Betrayed his brother. Followers are naive and idealistic.

Alex Salmond = Mance Rayder: Wants to be King Beyond the Wall.

Gordon Brown = Stannis Baratheon: Should have been next in line, but nobody likes him.


Date: 2012-04-27 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
British politics is, thankfully, not quite enough of a farce yet to be broken down and compared to a series of fictional characters.

I hope.

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