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Date: 2012-02-09 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poisonduk.livejournal.com
I support monitored driving in theory for the next generation. A newly qualified driver is looking at about £2K a year to insure a basic car nowadays. Anything which can reduce this cost is a good thing. I have 25 years driving experience so would feel it oppressive - I get a good Price for insurance because of age, years of driving, years of no claims. My previous car was £900 per anum last year with 65% discount - so well over £2K for a new driver OF MY AGE. Owning a car is expensive. Ways of reducing this, especially if you are just entering the car owning market should be welcomed.

Date: 2012-02-09 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
You could make a strong case that it should be "miles" of no claims bonus or "hours spent driving" of no claims bonus rather than "years" when the driver might not have been driving much.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
Premiums are annual.

So I think in order to match the risk to the premium period you have to do both in years.

Date: 2012-02-09 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
I would think so.

There's a bit of a problem with risks that don't scale in the way.

The risk of the car being stolen depends on where it is parked * units of time.

The risk of the car being in moving car accident depend on milage * skill of the driver (indicated by cumulative mileage)

Ideally I think you would like to disaggregate those and say the premium is £50 per annum for being stolen and £0.02 per mile for having a crash but I think customers might struggle with that concept.

So I think the pricing is fudged a bit in order to fit customers expectations of pricing.

I don't drive so I've never bought car insurance but I wonder if, when you fill in the forms, they ask you how many miles you drive a year and how many years since you had an accident and then work out your accident free mileage from that.

Date: 2012-02-09 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brixtonbrood.livejournal.com
No they don't because they don't have to. From an insurer's POV someone who drives 100,000 miles a year and has had one minor accident in 5 years is essentially the same risk as someone who drives 500 miles a year and has had one minor accident in 5 years - both get charged roughly the same fixed price for their year's driving. (oversimplifying here but you get my point)
Obviously if you're going to hitch a ride to Cornwall with one of them you'd want to pick the first one.

Date: 2012-02-10 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
The same risk because the premiums are set per year not per mile.

Date: 2012-02-09 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
Announced today: Billy Connolly will play Dain Ironfoot (he's the leader of the dwarves of the Iron Hills) in The Hobbit thus presumably continuing the idea that at least some dwarves have Scottish accents.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
All Scotsmen, ahem, dwarves enjoy drinking, fighting and talking at length about growing up in a tenement in Glasgow whilst accompanying oneself on a banjo.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
As it happens I have not.

Date: 2012-02-09 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
The Captain is nearly two.

Just a touch too young for films I think but not far off.

I'll keep an eye out for it on your recommendation.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
Seeing the article on automatic driving and monitored driving next to each other I wonder if monitored driving is a gateway to the take up of automatic driving.

Thus…

… Your insurance premium will be less if you are monitored and you are a safe driver. Aspects of automation improve your safe driver profile. Having a car that won’t let you drive like an idiot reduces your insurance premium because they link directly to the mechanism that your insurance company is using to set your premium.


Also the data the insurance companies gather about what driving practises translate into safer (or actually reduced claims) will be very interesting.

I like the feedback aspect that is available from the Insurance Sat Nav “Slow down, you’re driving like an arse. Do you know what this will do to your insurance premiums.”

Or even better “Your wife is a much better driver than you are.”

In Jeremy Clarkson’s voice.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
I did once work for one of the countries largets motor insurers but in a totally different division but I would like to know also.

The business insurers for my recent employers' insurance were very happy to talk to us about what made our premium what it was and how we might reduce it.

Date: 2012-02-09 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channelpenguin.livejournal.com
I like the feedback aspect that is available from the Insurance Sat Nav “Slow down, you’re driving like an arse. Do you know what this will do to your insurance premiums.”

Or even better “Your wife is a much better driver than you are.”

In Jeremy Clarkson’s voice.


LOVE IT!

Date: 2012-02-09 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
One of the fun little bits in Forza Motorsport 4 is listening to Jezza narrating some of the car descriptions in "Autovista" mode.

-- Steve's thinking that it'd be less useful in Sat Nav, as there's very limited navigational utility in "POWERRRRR!"

PS: I loved the Halo Easter Egg in Forza4, and the choice of narrator for it.

Date: 2012-02-10 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com
Limited but just occassionally, when one was joining a motorway

POWERRRRR!

Date: 2012-02-09 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
Monitored driving: surely that will spot the easy case of speeding but completely overlook compulsive tailgating, indecisive lane changing, middle-lane hogging, cutting-up of all sorts, and generally any kind of bad driving that can't be inferred from only the position and velocity of one car at a time?

Date: 2012-02-09 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-pawson.livejournal.com
Tailgating or driving too close is in my opinion far more problematic than speed. In Germany they have cameras mounted overhead the autobahn which detect how close you are to the vehicle in front. They are not concerned with overall speed, but will issue tickets if you are too close to the car in front for the speed you are travelling at.

However, as I understand it the monitoring devices proposed monitor acceleration, so emergency stops, swerves etc. can be detected. For sure they can't detect every driving fault but those who drive more dangerously will presumably have to take avoiding action more often.

Date: 2012-02-09 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
As a driver who doesn't speed, the one thing that is guaranteed to make my driving worse (because it makes me anxious) is the person tailgating me who seems to be trying to get me to drive faster, but when we come to a giant space for overtaking, resolutely refuses to actually drive over the limit themselves.

Date: 2012-02-09 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anton-p-nym.livejournal.com
Re: Canada's shame, well, in our defense there is a huge constituency that's hopping mad with this "Bush Light" policy... hopefully we can get it changed, though it's hard given that the Conservatives (including the thug wing) have a majority for the first time in over twenty years.

-- Steve thinks that all information derived from torture should be discounted, if not because torture is immoral then at least because such information is less reliable than the Weekly World News.

Date: 2012-02-09 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com
"-- Steve thinks that all information derived from torture should be discounted, if not because torture is immoral then at least because such information is less reliable than the Weekly World News."


I'm amazed that people don't mention this point more often.

Date: 2012-02-09 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
it's widely known among intelligence services [and people capable of rational thought] that someone who really badly wants you to stop hurting them will say whatever it takes to make you stop hurting them.


you basically have to be insane to believe otherwise.

which makes it unfortunate that a great many of the people in a position of power to write policy on such matters are clearly bugfuck. As, I would imagine, are those willing to carry it out.

Date: 2012-02-09 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brixtonbrood.livejournal.com
Regardless of what the TomTom press release says, GPS as used by insurers will be much more about the roads you're driving on than the way you drive.
If you drive on motorways in daylight you'll be cheap, if you drive in the countryside at 2am you'll be paying through the nose. The only feature of driving behaviour that will be easy to measure is speed, and even that's not being much discussed within the industry, though I imagine that grossly excessive motorway speeds or slightly excessive speeds elsewhere may be penalised. It'll be a few years before even Direct Line have built up the evidence and the claims database necessary to pick the appropriate loading for moderate speeding.

Date: 2012-02-09 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
I confess, the thing I most noticed about the soldiers' faces photos was how much better lit the ones taken in Afghanistan were.

Date: 2012-02-09 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadbydawn.livejournal.com
Apple's response to being price gouged on essential patents is to ask for a review of those patents. This, having failed to convince a Judge that the rates for those patents were, in fact, gouging.

absolutely unsurprising, then.

[my overall impression is that Apple have no interest in making money on their own patents - they just don't want people to copy their stuff. It is *incredible* how many people don't get that]

Date: 2012-02-10 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
There's at least one US auto insurance company that offers a "Snapshot" GPS-analysis sort of discount..

Date: 2012-02-11 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alextfish.livejournal.com
"I really can't see this taking off with anyone who ever goes on a motorway."

Whyso? I've tried a few times and I can't think of a reason why motorway drivers would all object to the option to sign up to let their driving be monitored in exchange for potentially lower premiums. I mean, most people think they're above the average, don't they, and so think they're good drivers? And there are clearly a number of people who don't speed. So... could you elaborate here?

Date: 2012-02-12 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brixtonbrood.livejournal.com
From a pure price POV moderate speeding on the motorway is cancelled out by the fact that they are very very safe places to drive (though of course any crash you do have is likely to be expensive). However I can see that people would still be reluctant of handing over information to a quasi-official body proving that they're breaking the law on a regular basis.

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