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I was reading Charlie Stross' post on the impending collapse of the doomed High Street and it reminded me of the ridiculous situation I had buying a PS3 controller just before Christmas.

I wanted a new one, because we only have one, and Little Big Planet looks like it will be fun two-player. So I looked around, discovered that they were £50 in-store in Game, £45 in Amazon, but only £40 in the Game online store. A bit silly, I thought, having to buy it online from the same company, but I ordered it from Game and discovered that they would deliver it to the local store for me. Fantastic, I thought - I can order online and then just drop in and pick it up!

Except that it really _was_ a delivery service, where you have to wait for them to post out a controller to your local shop that's exactly the same as the ones that are already in-store, and then go in and queue along with everyone else, and then the harrassed staff go and root through the back room until they find the parcel that was sent through. Pretty much the opposite of joined-up thinking.

Today, of course, Amazon has it for £5 cheaper than that again, at only £35. And Julie's been ill since she got back, so we haven't actually managed to use it yet anyway.

There's a lesson there somewhere, but I can't quite work out what it is...
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Date: 2011-12-30 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Huh.. Best Buy (electronics) and Staples (office supplies), fire example, a) do in-store pickup properly, and b) price-match their competition--including their own website, if it doesn't match.

Date: 2011-12-30 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com
Oh, and I don't know about LBP, but LBP2 is a lot of fun with two players. :)

Date: 2011-12-30 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com
I've been thinking a lot about this lately, and about what services physical shopping can offer that virtual shopping can't.

(Extreme TLDR: demonstration, tactility, senses other than hearing and sight, 3D, recommendation, learning modes, scale).

I'll try to write the post in the next few days!

Date: 2011-12-30 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com
IME in-store orders are only an improvement in bother terms over an online order if getting parcels delivered to your home is a major hassle.

The one thing I do currently buy that way is specs - Tesco Opticians are handy for me to drop by, and at £10 a pop they're cheaper than any online provider I've found.

Date: 2011-12-30 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poisonduk.livejournal.com
Argos rules the world! I buy most of my stuff there now.

Date: 2011-12-30 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
I was thinking about what high street stores could do to survive... people (including me) do still browse occasionally, it's just that sometimes (usually) I think "OK, I want that, I'll pop home and order it on amazon, that way, it costs less and I don't have to carry it."

I wonder if (say) a bookshop would make more or less money if it offered a hole-in-the-wall where you pop the book, get the barcode scanned, log in to amazon and order right there. They get a referral fee from amazon, you get your real-life browsing experience and the cheap deal.

Do lost physical sales balance it? It maybe just me (or a small number of people) that browses physical stores but almost always decides to buy later.

Browsing on amazon is a bit hopeless... there's no serendipity to it... it just dumbly presents you with a list of best-sellers or "like you already bought".

Date: 2011-12-30 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] recycled-sales.livejournal.com
Both your article and Mr Stross' really got me thinking, because I enjoy shopping but hate not finding what I want.

I used to buy a lot online, although this was back when I was 19 and what I bought consisted mainly of DVDs, CDs and games. Now, I'm more likely to find myself buying something because I've wandered into town and remembered that 'the item I want' is finally out.

Most of this has been down to the abysmal service that delivery companies currently offer. Having stayed in three locations across Edinburgh (pretty widely spaced) I've found that the only guaranteed method for actually getting something on the day you expect is to have it delivered to your place of work. Indeed I suspected that the fact that I used to work at The Scotsman did mean that a lot of delivery times were kept by the fact that they were a well known (and vocal) company.

One of the things that I really started to try and remember, is how much of my life has changed in the last 10 or 20 years. It's the thing that's stopping me being too worried about the future if remembering that back in 2002 this was the future.

Date: 2011-12-30 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
You are perhaps right that people could do it now but they do not... my phone can do all that albeit clunkily right now.... but perhaps the difference is not enough to make me switch.

Amazon'sn recommendations are great but for me they get stuck in a rut. I read a fair bit, buy more than i read and all through amazon. Its recommendations are excellent if i never want to think something i have not thought already. :-)

Date: 2011-12-30 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Yes kindle allows you to try a sample of a book... i guess i am that type of person who wants to find something a bit off the trail -- the other night i read two books in a row because IIRC the first was cited as corroboration for something by wikipedia and the second i thought might give a less bonkers view of the same incident. No way a recommendation engine can replace that feeling of "now i know this book exists i must read it but i never suspected it existed".

Date: 2011-12-30 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Sure. Bookstore is just a quick way to try to force that to happen. Do not do it that often.. i do work very near some of uk's largest bookshops so a wander on occasion can be useful.

Date: 2011-12-30 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Heh... recommends from friends and random gifts are also great of course.

Date: 2011-12-30 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
It always annoys me that if I'm in town and hear a song I like in a physical music store, I can't get it on my mp3 player right then. I would happily pay for this convenience.

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Date: 2011-12-30 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I like the walk to the parcel depot but am trying to shop online less because fewer and fewer companies use Royal Mail, which is the one company that will actually use the parcel depot. Even Amazon don't always use the royal mail any more.

A company that can only deliver 9-5 weekdays is no use to me, since I'm at work at that point. Allowing me to change my delivery date to.... another weekday... is no help, and since I don't have a car and work during the week, I can't get to most of the courier company offices either to pick up stuff. While Yodel (the company that used to be Home Delivery Network) are terrible, at least they now deliver in the evenings when I can be in to get stuff.

Date: 2011-12-30 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I have a kindle because I like the look and feel of it, and buy a lot from Amazon anyway.

If I really wanted a book and saw it in WH Smith or Waterstones when I was browsing (okay, I wouldn't actually be browsing in WH Smith since they're a bookshop in the sense that they sell a few popular things and a whole lot of chick-lit/misery memoir/pop history books) I would happily pay a small amount over the standard Amazon price to get it right there right on my kindle after browsing a chapter in-store, since my Kindle isn't a 3g one. As it is though, everyone loses out since I'll forget about the book by the time I get home, so Amazon won't get my money and the bookshop won't get any "referral" money from me.

Date: 2011-12-30 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
On android the TrackId app does this. It samples the music, matches the track and gives you a link to buy it. Probably an iphone app to do the same. Of course this does rely on you using your phone as an mp3 player which i do not.
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