Date: 2011-12-17 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
I've got to say though that she gave an utterly crap answer to the interview question though. I mean it's damned clear what's expected -- so even if she thought that she should on no account advise Karl Rove she could have given "here's five points of comparison between"... or failing that "here's five reasons why the superficial similarities are misleading". Simply saying they're not connected and giving a single reason (which is not particularly convincing) is automatically an interview fail for me as superficially they seem very connected. If you don't agree with the outline of a question then make a convincing clear and well reasoned argument why not - "computer says no" shows you can't think on your feet.

What I really can't believe is that having had time to consider the question carefully in retrospect she still thinks that she got the right answer. Doh! Talk about failing to learn the correct lesson.

My particular corner of academia (maths department 16 years, engineering department 4) is pretty heavy drinking. That said, the most successful person at working our particular social network is a strict muslim who is teetotal. The thing is, that is is (to some extent) about staying late, chatting to the gang, having those late night conversations wthat make you want to work with someone on a problem.

Date: 2011-12-17 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
I was referring to the meal in the totally inappropriate restaurant rather than the interview per se, I should have been clearer. I agree that she didn't handle that question particularly well.

Date: 2011-12-17 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
*laugh* Sorry yes, my comment was mainly addressed at your comment about drinking culture... Seems prevalent round most corners of academia. That said, the times I've worked with industry it's been a lot worse... the high points being one consultant saying "backs against the wall lads" as we walked near a conference on gay rights and another saying "Well, that's the meal over... now, anyone fancy a strip club?" follwed with "Don't worry it's on expenses." when we looked aghast.

Indeed the industry funded boozing sessions make the academic ones look very amateur.

Date: 2011-12-17 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
Sounds delightful! Yet another reason to go freelance if my academic career dies a death!

Date: 2011-12-17 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
One of those comments was from a freelance consultant (agency of one person -- can't really complain to his boss).

Date: 2011-12-17 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
To which we can only conclude that some people are morons regardless of what they do for a living!

Date: 2011-12-17 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
FWIW I wondered the same thing, but I got the impression she thought the interviewer was deliberately looking for suggestions that Islam should be suppressed and that he deliberately picked an unreasonable question which he was sure he'd be able to criticise any answer she gave, although obviously without knowing the field and based on what she said, I can't judge whether she was right or not.

Date: 2011-12-17 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Sure -- but you can then go for the answer: "I would argue with him that they are very different things because..." (and show off knowledge about said subjects in an unusual context space which is most clearly the point of the question). She gave one reason they were different which demonstrated only superficial knowledge. Seriously, it's an interview, you're supposed to be able to deal with difficult questions from the person who puts you in the awkward spot. If you clam up and give the terse uninformative answer, it does not reflect well.

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