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Date: 2009-05-29 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broin.livejournal.com
d20 Abortion is pretty interesting, acksherly. I did see someone take it into political satire, along the lines of 'DMZ'. And there are only a handful of games that tackle politics, so the more the merrier.

I also like bitterness as PTSD. Explains a lot. :D

Date: 2009-05-29 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
Hmmmm... I'd worry it's over-medicalisation of human behaviour more then a distinct mental illness. Psychiatrists are ridiculously prone to confirmation bias and feedback loops...

Date: 2009-05-29 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
Considering it appears to be an article based on an abstract from a conference talk it may not be the most reliable report.

There is little mention of any actual research or epidimological studies done to validate the position. It's more then likely just another "female sexual dysfunction".

As the manics said:- "We need and we are taught to need another invented disease".

Date: 2009-05-29 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
Netherlands low crime rate?

Hmmmm... In terms of social justice, healthcare etc the Dutch have a fairly sweet deal (glibbly, it's why they are so tall).

Date: 2009-05-29 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
It's likely a number of factors. Someones probably plotted a regression line about it somewhere.

Date: 2009-05-30 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-ate-my-crusts.livejournal.com
I asked some dutch folk about this, and they told me that it because they have strong cultural belief in solving problems collaboratively rather than competitively/confrontationally. I have no idea if that's true, but it makes me want to move to the Netherlands every time I think about it.

Date: 2009-05-29 04:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Or it could just be that their crime rates are doing what every else's are doing but their media and Govt doesn't engage in the hyperbole that ours does?

Date: 2009-05-29 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
Firstly how much hyperbole do you think the Dutch media gives to our crime rate?

Secondly, we only know about this because presumably the Dutch govt. has released the statistics ergo we know about it through their hyperbole.

Also why would crime rates across the World, or even just Europe, show any form of uniform decline? I mean we are building prisons the Dutch demolishing them...

It's plausable that there is a lower amount of young men around in Europe and thus crime rates are uniformly dropping. Or that the Dutch legal system is now perhaps favouring more community based punishments.

But if they are closing and demolishing prisons there is likley a strong case that their crime rate is dropping.

Date: 2009-05-30 12:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
if they are closing and demolishing prisons there is likley a strong case that their crime rate is dropping.

Um, yes?

I acknowledge this. I suspect that theirs is dropping, and I know ours is dropping as well, which is the point I was making.

We are building prisons due to a sentencing policy that is putting more and more people away, hence media hyperbole—I'm assuming you've read the stats same as I have, I don't know much about the Dutch stats, but I suspect that their system of Govt leads to a more open discussion on issues rather than a race to the most populist that ours does.

Also why would crime rates across the World, or even just Europe, show any form of uniform decline?

That's a question that economists and criminologists are still arguing over—the direct correlation to abortion legalisation outlined in Freakonomics isn't generally accepted, but nor has it been completely refuted, and it's not my field so I tend to spend less time following the minutae of the discussion. It is a weird correlation though, and it is broadly similar across most of the world.

Date: 2009-05-29 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laserboy.livejournal.com
While I have a certain amount of sympathy for the girl, this seems to be going down the road of people being allowed to sue their parents for problem genetics. Seems a little.. ungrateful? (If it's a consumer thing, shouldn't the mother be the one doing the suing?)

Date: 2009-05-29 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com
It's a bit batshit isn't it?

Doesn't the whole case hedge on a paradoxical notion that the girl could have existed without these genetic issues in the form she is now? I mean wouldn't someone else just exist???

Date: 2009-05-29 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeneontubing.livejournal.com
unicorns should be NSFW eeep

Date: 2009-05-29 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeneontubing.livejournal.com
great one on the gay marriage link - hilarious arguments!

Date: 2009-05-30 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals
Ok - so can anyone tell me why their crime rate is declining?

Is this sarcasm?

Date: 2009-05-30 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Because in isolation and without any other figures or research that answer seemed obvious. A vast number of the people we pick up with short-term jail sentences in the UK are there for drugs crime, usually possession with intent to supply a drug that is legal in the Netherlands. If I recall correctly, almost every other crime statistic is decreasing, low-level drugs crime is eating that decline and swinging it.

Could be a coincidence, without more numbers it's hard to say - why when that has been the state of the law would there only be a decline instead of a sharp drop-off in crime, etc, etc. Although my theory would also allow for a more permissive culture making for a less criminal population, but that's my personal politics and based (like the rest of this theory) on conjecture.

As to how that relates to Belgium, I don't know. Does Belgium have a crime increase rate that's steeper than the 'average' in Europe? I believe an increase is the norm in the central countries (and, y'know, most places), am I wrong? Belgium might have the same crime rates as somewhere next door (that isn't Holland) and just be coping really badly.
Edited Date: 2009-05-30 06:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-31 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com
Long story.

Date: 2009-05-30 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dapperscavenger.livejournal.com
Is t wrong to actually like a couple of those tattoos? *lol*

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