Warren Ellis on Web 2.0

[andrewducker]

Is there a Web 2.0 at all? Or is it just a buzzword to bring in new Venture Capital?

Yeah, there is. Web 2.0, at its heart, is an attempt to bind us back down to our desktops and force us to tidy up our shit and arrange it nicely. From del.icio.us to Structured Blogging to DLA to 47 Things and Backpack and all -- it's all an ongoing attempt to take the Wild West out of the web experience and make it all nice and orderly and organised.

I fucking hate it, to be honest.

Where do you think these tools are taking us?

Into a universal understanding of what it's like to have Aspergers, it would seem...

Comments

[sbisson.livejournal.com]

Nah.

There isn't a Web 2.0.

There is however, for want of a better term, a Computing 5.0. Web 2.0 in all its manifestations is the first step of building a UI that can handle virtualised hardware and storage, distributed loosely coupled services, and process and workflow based dynamic deployment.

I find it fascinating watching the evolution of this UI. I don't think it's anywhere near ready yet - but key concepts of service orchestration, presence, and the intelligent client are starting to work their way through things.

Missing elements so far: local persistance, mobility, and (this one's the kicker) context.

An interesting 5 years coming up.

[sbisson.livejournal.com]

Of course, that was me thinking that that was your notes on Ellis comment's.

Source URIs that point to The Engine would have helped!

[andrewducker]

Fuck em. People can find their own way around the web.

[andrewducker]

Ahem. That wasn't directed at you in particular - I just assume that if people _like_ Warren Ellis, they already know about the 15 places he hangs out on the intarweb - if they don't, then they'll jut have to put up with the occasional quote.

[sbisson.livejournal.com]

I think, for me, the thing was it didn't look like a quote - or more precisely it looked like a quote with comments.

It was only when I wandered over to the Engine for my regular procrastinateperusal that I realised that you had quoted an entire post.

Not sure what I'm getting at here - whether it's a call for some formal form of quotations (OMG, it's structured blogging!) or for references.

It's probably just habits from too many careers colliding - years as a consultant, years as a journalist, years as a research engineer/scientist. Makes me a sadly confused Simon much of the time...

[jccw.livejournal.com]

Not sure what I'm getting at here - whether it's a call for some formal form of quotations (OMG, it's structured blogging!) or for references.

Isn't this what <blockquote> is for?

[sbisson.livejournal.com]

It's what I use it for - however different LJ layouts render it differently. Some mark a quote, other's italicise, while some indent and some don't.

You can't (and shouldn't) control the view your readers use - so I think I'm arguaing for context beyond the code...

[andrewducker]

Which is what I gave, with the subject line. You then interpreted the two _questions_ as being from Warren Ellis - which to me seems bizarre - why would I reprint his _questions_?

[sbisson.livejournal.com]

Yeah - it is :-) The formatting is what confused me. I'd have blockquoted and italicised the whole thing. But that's just me.

Put it down to deadline pressure and the fact that I need to deliver another ASP.NET 2.0 tutorial on Monday to go with the one I'm in the middle of (and the Q&A column). So just another 5K words to do this weekend.

I think I'll go lie down.

Oh no, I haven't got time!

[missedith01.livejournal.com]

From del.icio.us to Structured Blogging to DLA to 47 Things and Backpack and all

Jesus ... I don't know what any of these things are but after reading your post I'm convinced they're all bad. :-)

I did get a bit excitable when I found I could go back to add tags to a post I made in May 2005 this morning. Does this mean I am more Web 2.0 than Wild West, and is there anything that can be done for me?

[andrewducker]

delicious is where my link list comes from (andyduckerlinks) - it's sourced from http://del.icio.us/AndrewDucker - a collection of bookmarks each of which is tagged so I can find it later.

[azalemeth.livejournal.com]

There is already an internet 2. To be honest, unless we no longer state GET / HTTP/1.1, then I don't really see it as being anything other than design standards...

[andrewducker]

Naah, Web 2.0 is about loosely linked websites supplying data to each other in the background, and AJAX tying it all together, rather than Web 1.0, which was individual websites, each a standalone island of functionality.

[azalemeth.livejournal.com]

Hmn, I suppose so. To be frank, so long as the increased amount of javascript doesn't make my browser crash, and I continue to have the ability to run apache, I really view anything other than that as something of a novelty - hopefully a good one!

[cx650.livejournal.com]

"a universal understanding of what it's like to have Aspergers"

Not necessarily a bad thing IMHO.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

that comment is going to be used more than once - we need it to be a functiion...