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9. Waymo are running a successful driverless taxi service. Why is it expanding so slowly?: (tags:driving automation business )
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The top reply to the comment I linked to is from someone who works on Waymo, who says:

I would only caution that people shouldn't overindex on mapping costs. When you're talking about entering a major metro area, you need lots of vehicles and depots and so on anyway just to provide the eventual service. So the upfront initial map build out is certainly a component of starting in a new geography, but I think people assume it is somehow dominant. It's not.

The current approach then for ride hailing, which requires depots, means that:

> just turn on the tap, buy a million cars and cover the whole country

is not happening anytime soon.

So it sounds like buying depots and setting up the infrastructure to run from them is the big blocker.

But also, from what I can understand, they don't make a profit, so until they can work out how to do so (at scale) they aren't going to do that.

Best I can find on that is: "the company’s “Other Bets,” which include Waymo, lost a staggering $4.8 billion in 2020 and $5.2 billion in 2021" - but I'd love to know about them specifically.

I get the impression that the mapping took time rather than being a huge cost.

You can have a positive cashflow without making a profit, particularly if a lot of your costs are things like depreciation of vehicles or amortisation of capitalised R&D costs.

Also helpful would be if Waymo's fixed costs were a relatively large part of their cost base. Again largely thinking of R&D costs of operations. So that as operations scale the fixed costs are spread more thinly.

I can see a situation where Waymo go from being very unprofitable to generating a fair bit of cash quite suddenly.

Interesting Links for 06-05-2023

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