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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2020-10-01 12:00 pm

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Why the UK's "grammar, punctuation, and spelling" test is nasty and dangerous

[personal profile] jack 2020-10-01 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
It feels like you could do something like "choose which of these sentences is most appropriate for a formal/social/written/spoken/etc situation" which would more test that people can use language, not learn rote and probably misleading categorisation of it. But I guess rote learning was what Gove wanted to push :(
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Re: Why the UK's "grammar, punctuation, and spelling" test is nasty and dangerous

[personal profile] naath 2020-10-01 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a little taken aback by the idea that a test being hard, such that few test takers will get 100%, is a downside... The POINT of this sort of test is to produce a meaningful ranking of "how good are these children at this task", a test that most children can just do is not going to achieve that aim.

(But this test is testing a stupid, pointless, achievement of 'memorising some stuff that is not even abut how to useEnglish' and need to diaf)
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[personal profile] momentsmusicaux 2020-10-01 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh cry me a fucking river for the libdem whose kid is at a boarding school.
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Grammar

[personal profile] anef 2020-10-01 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I studied languages (though not linguistics) and have never heard of some of these grammar terms. They do not seem helpful for people to understand the structures of language, and how to write and speak meaningfully. Though I do have some sympathy for the view that "were" in the sentence quoted is a subjunctive.
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[personal profile] channelpenguin 2020-10-02 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
I doubt the tests test anything "real-world" useful. My English grammar and spelling are (can be) near-"perfect" - but I have pretty much zero knowledge of grammar terms beyond "verb", "noun" and "adjective". I taught myself to read at 2.5 and have been an INCREDIBLE bookworm all of my life, so all my learning was by (extensive) example - most often from complex texts meant for adults! I was NEVER taught ANY grammar formally at all. They just did not do that in school in the 70s/80s. This was never a problem until I came to learn German and all the teachers merrily threw around terms like "subject" and "object" (and many more) and I did not have a clue what that even meant in terms of language - I had never analysed it in that way. (I managed to learn German nonetheless)