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So, having spotted a trend of people who used to post on LJ, went quiet for a long time, but are now posting on G+, Facebook, etc. I'm curious - what is it that makes you happy posting there, but not here?

If you do post on LJ (or crosspost to LJ) then don't answer the poll. If you want to see the results then just click on "submit" without clicking any of the options.

[Poll #1774801]
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Date: 2011-09-01 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joexnz.livejournal.com
i post on lj to think things through
Sometimes i have thoughts longer than 440 characters.
Sometimes I need those thoughts not be shared with absolutely everyone i know i.e. filtering is easier.

I post on lj much less when i'm happier, hence my recent absence.

Date: 2011-09-01 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
I don't really feel many people read LJ these days so it's not so much worth posting here.

Date: 2011-09-01 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomchris.livejournal.com
I tend to use LJ for large updates and life dumps, but don't do so if I've already put the same stuff on Facebook, as I figure people will have seen it there.

Date: 2011-09-01 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
There are still a few readers but many many more on facebook. Google + hard to tell, I think that's dying.

Date: 2011-09-01 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Isn't that just because you don't use facebook that much though? Or perhaps it is a circle of friends thing.

I was a late holdout with facebook but eventually realised that despite LJ having been my primary social network for about six or seven years there just wasn't many people using it any more -- I can't remember when I started using Facebook -- less than a year ago I think and my Facebook friends list is larger than my LJ friends list (despite being more selective on Facebook).

Not that LJ is a bad thing at all -- just that if I do post here (which I almost never do) I'll link it from Facebook to get attention.

In a lot of ways I prefer LJ but it just doesn't have the user base among my circle of friends.

Date: 2011-09-01 10:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tysolna
I post here, and I am also on FB and now on G+.

There are people on FB that I would have lost touch with if not for FB. I occasionally throw in a one-sentence update along the lines of "Headache again" or "99% of all unicorns are virgins".

G+ is shiny and new and, like a new toy, wants to be played with. I also like the functionality of the circles, and have started a writing circle with friends who, again, are on FB and G+, but not on LJ, and that works very well indeed.
G+ reminds me more of tumblr than of Facebook, by the way.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
I haven't filled in the poll because I still post around here. I do post on FB more but just odd snippets to keep up with people, whereas I witter on on here because it's a safer place for brain dumps.

I'm still resisting G+, I feel no need for a further social networking site and I have two different gmail accounts that I want to keep separate.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-phil.livejournal.com
Events are one of the main things I use Facebook for.
None of the other services have a decent tool for doing that (yet?).

Also Facebook has a wider group of contacts on it than LJ and more active contacts than G+.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
Of the people I friended on G+, now that the "WOO we're on G+ it's going to be fab" bit has passed, they're either ignoring it, reading but not posting or else using it like a Tumblr and just reblogging things from other people. Which is a shame, since I'd rather they used Tumblr for that since the interface is more customisable.

There's no point in doing the kind of things I do on FB on G+ since there aren't as many people and the event interface is the primary reason I went on to FB in the first place.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artkouros.livejournal.com
I used to love LJ but now,

1) There are very few of the people I used to love to talk to left here

2) Numerous loss of service issues over the years

I'm not a fan of FB except for simple status updates and keeping up with family. I'm on G+, but it's just like FB as far as I can tell. I like blogger, but have no friends there.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I suppose it's worth saying that, amongst my friends, far more of them post actual personal content (ie thoughts, opinions, daily updates as opposed to link/photo spam) on Facebook rather than LJ or G+. LJ/G+ are mostly photo/link spam for all but a couple of friends, and of the ones who do that kind of thing on FB, they also post actual personal content too.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meaningrequired.livejournal.com
Facebook for me, is a collection of contacts, with intermittent updates to ensure I retain some level of familiarity.

Livejournal is where I share my feelings.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
The sites also have a reputation, which can put people off.

If I meet someone and get on with them, I might say "oh hey, add me on facebook" and they'll know what I mean. If I said "oh hey, add me on LJ" then that could seem overly personal, or they might still see LJ as what used to be a fairly commonly mentioned stereotype ie that it's a place for people to post angsty poetry and rambling screeds about their self-harm issues under a name like xXx_reznorfan666_xXx. Fair or unfair, it's certainly an image that it had. Having a G+ account is a bit nerdy at the moment, having a facebook is normal (these days), having a livejournal can still be seen as odd by some.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I'd happily use a front-end that aggregated FB, G+ and LJ though.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com
I hide the news feed items for any people that post crap or who have lives that don't interest me, and usually only browse status updates which makes it easy.

Date: 2011-09-01 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alitheapipkin.livejournal.com
Yes this. The people I'm closer to on FB I usually share more personal stuff with in person or private messages/chat. Most of my FB contacts are old school friends who I have little in common with these days.

Date: 2011-09-01 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
Not at all related to this post but I was wandering around your website and happened across your post about stocks and how they work. I'm not at all sure the divident yield works how you think it does... or rather your technical description of the situation is correct but the conclusion that dividend yield is (or even should be) what drives investment is not so clear. Checkout the wikipedia article on it. In general people don't make money on the stock market through dividends and dividend yield is fairly low these days (compared to historically). The idea of buying stock in the hope of dividends is more historically important than currently important. Statistically it depends how you do the analysis. A naive analysis shows no correlation between dividend yield and stock price but the data can be tortured in various ways to get a relationship.

Interesting read though -- I was actually unaware of the comics collapse thing.

Date: 2011-09-01 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com

The value of shares ought to be based on the expected return (dividend) and the expected profit on reselling the shares.


Yes... but the first part is much smaller than the second.


There's clearly some correlation,


That's not what the statistics says -- or rather there is no simple unambiguous correlation. If you pop the numbers into a computer then it just isn't the case for many/most markets.

because companies performing badly see their share prices drop, and companies performing badly see their share prices rise.

Ah but what has "performing badly" and performing well to do with dividends? Apple is generally considered to be performing well and has massive market capitalisation (dwarfs microsoft) but never pays a dividend (or not for 15 years). It paid a very low dividend (by market standards) from 87 to 95 and nothing since. A company which is actually tanking can't afford to pay a dividend (obviously). A company which is doing badly but has some cash stashed may pay a dividend to boost a flagging market. A company which is doing well enough has no particular reason to pay a dividend if its stock is flying high anyway.

So... dividends were at a historic low before the market crash a while back. If you torture the data properly there does seem to be a slight lagged correlation between dividend and stock performance but it's really low (if a company pays a higher dividend there is a small but measurable chance their stock price will go up after that).

Essentially, any explanation for the market price of a company should not these days be centred on dividends paid any more than an explanation of the price of a given comic (in your other part of the analogy) should be centred on the quality of the story, writing or illustration in that particular issue.

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