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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2004-10-22 05:49 pm

Some thoughts on slash

Slash is a subject that causes incredibly strong emotional reactions in people. Having engaged in numerous discussions about this, I've been thinking about why this might be, partially because it keeps cropping up on my friends list and partially so that I can get something vaguely final down in words and stop it going round in my head.

I'll be taking my definition of slash as 'Fiction written by fans of a work in which characters who are not canonically gay are written with the assumption that they are'. I would like to point out in advance that this isn't intended to come out either in favour of, or against slash. I firmly believe that people have the right to freedom of speech, and if they choose to write slash then that is their prerogative. I'm merely interested in why slash affects people the way it does, and why it's previously caused the reaction in me that it has.

Now, some people claim that they merely find the idea of slash to be a waste of time, but people waste time in many thousands of ways, and most people have nowhere near the amount of emotional reaction to golf that they do to slash. This argument is therefore easily discounted.

Slash has a tendency mocked in a juvenile "Ewww, that's gross" manner which would tend to indicate that the mocker finds gay sex to be intrinsically gross. This could, indeed, be a major source of the objections people have. It should be noted, however, that this doesn't automatically indicate a homophobic intent - people who aren't interested in sex tend to find the whole area of sexuality pretty icky - only changing this feeling when the instinct to engage in it overcomes them. Without the urge to engage in particular sexual acts, it's entirely possible that those acts still cause the same reactions - a pointer in this direction can be gained from the fact that many gay men find the idea of heterosexual sex somewhat disturbing.

However, this cannot the only reason. After all, I have had no problem with homosexual characters and situations in other works of fiction where they were intrinsic parts (most recently The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, where one of the major characters has his life grimly affected by the repressive attitudes towards homosexuality in 1930s America), but I have still had a negative reaction to slash. Nor can it be purely because most slash is erotica - there are many, many sites out there specialising in erotica and while there are people out there who do react negatively to gay porn, it's not something that I encounter nearly as often as people's reaction to slash.

People have an almost personal reaction to slash - as if some part of them had been violated. I believe the only way to explain this is to look at the way that people react to fiction and the characters within. People form emotional connections with the characters in their fiction, along with internalised ideas of who they are and how they behave. We feel (to a certain extent) as if they know them as people. After all, why would people watch most TV shows if they didn’t care about the characters and in some way empathise with them. When these characters then behave in ways that are perceived as uncharacteristic, people feel as if you’re portraying their friends in manner which is just plain wrong. The reaction here is probably somewhat similar to that evoked in horror movies where the characters are replaced by someone (or something) that acts almost, but not quite, the same as the original person – a feeling of unease and wrongness.

When we watched the last episode of Angel, [livejournal.com profile] green_amber was extremely upset at the act of one character, when they shot another one. She felt emotionally betrayed by the act – that character would _never_ act in that way. Never mind that the character doesn’t actually exist, or that the correct act for a fictional character is whatever the writer chooses for them to do, the way that the character had been written felt so wrong to her that she became quite irate at the way it was portrayed. I believe that it’s this reaction that is seen when most people encounter slash-fiction.

The question remains, however, why does homosexual sex seem so out of character for people that they have this strong reaction? It is, of course, not just possible but likely that there is some latent homophobia in the reaction – Kirk and Spock are heroes, manly men and gallant adventurers, thus obviously not homosexual. The fact that real-life adventurers and ‘manly men’ such as Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar had homosexual relationships is beside the point – surely Kirk and Spock wouldn’t do such a thing!

This reaction is seems obviously homophobic. If you don’t have a problem with homosexuality, why do you have a problem with your heroes engaging in it? But this response seems oddly simplistic – after all, the reader may not have a negative response to characters originally written as homosexuals (although there aren’t many of those about to have encountered). And if, after all, the character has never been shown to have any homosexual leanings, surely assuming their heterosexuality is perfectly reasonable?

Which is where the other part of the puzzle comes from – personal identification. People don’t just like Kirk – they want to be him, delivering two-fisted Kirk Justice, saving planets and kissing green-skinned women. They want to embrace the whole Kirk way of life. Suddenly discovering that this also means embracing Mr Spock comes as a bit of a shock. It’s as if the slash is telling them that _they_ are homosexual.

And again we come back to asking – if these people aren’t homophobic, why can’t they identify with people who are homosexual? If, after all, we can identify with people who are balding, a bit tubby around the middle and Speak!…Like!…This! then surely we can identify with someone who has sex with men? The answer seems to be that none of those other things seem as intrinsic to our personalities as our sexual identity is – people can base huge decisions about their lives (or, indeed, their whole lives) on their sexual identity, it’s something they care deeply about, and in the majority of cases seem to have little control over. Sexuality seems to be something you are, not something you do, and thus when made into an overt part of a character is too prominent to simply glide past.

This overtness also seems distinctive to slash – while I have encountered a few instances of heterosexual Trek fanfic, it seems much, much rarer. The occasional kiss or ellipsis seems to be all that fans require in the way of sexual content. It’s possible that most people don’t want to think of their heroes explicitly sexually _at all_, and that this also contributes to their reaction.

So the answer seems to be that slash takes characters we emapthise with and/or identify with and changes the depiction of them to act overtly in a way that many of the people encountering it find impossible to empathise/identify with. It’s likely that the strongest reactions (that aren’t merely coming from actual homophobes) will come from those people who are unused to thinking about their role-models in a sexual way at all, let alone in a sexual way that they themselves do not feel any affinity towards. Those people that have less of an emotional attachment to heterosexuality, or who care less about fictional characters will have a correspondingly lower negative reaction to it.

The question remains – why are so many of the slash writers women? Any suggestions?

[identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
What a fabulous and thinky essay.

The question remains – why are so many of the slash writers women? Any suggestions?

My first answer, my flip answer, is both a bit simplistic and probably more true than people like to admit:

Just as many men are aroused at the idea of two women together, a lot of chicks dig the idea of hot monkey sex between two guys.

Of course, while it's socially acceptable to be turned on by two women, it's a bit more taboo to be aroused by the homosexual male sexual act. Slash is a place where it's okay to think about Wolverine and Cyclops making up naked after one of their spats.

There's also the idea that in our current state of cultural conditioning, men -- straight men -- simply aren't programmed to accept, much less get creative about, the idea of the erotic value of homosexual male sex. They (men conditioned by the predominant cultural attitiudes of our day) are taught that Playboy and threesomes with two women are what porn is supposed to be about. Slash is a bit outside of their sphere.

But it most certainly also has a lot to do with the percentage of the population who is most encouraged to write just for fun. Our cultural attitudes dictate that if a man is going to do something, it's going to be for a profit, there's going to be some benefit for it. As a result, you don't often see men writing casually, with no intent of "real" publication. Women are trained to be closet writers, given diaries as children, encouraged to write secrets and wishes and dreams. Women, who traditionally do better in writing and English classes, are often better trained to be casual writers as well. They are the ones -- as a group (I'm not bringing this down to the individual level, because anything goes on that level) -- that are best trained to do something like slash.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, my reaction to slash is not because I'm a homo-hater, but because I hate what I perceive to be bad characterization. Like your bad username tagged friend, I rail against the characterization I see in the actual canonical scripts - so why should I be different when it comes to slash, which tends to push the boundaries even further?

Sexual choice is fairly integral to someone's character, but as I've said usually what I find distressing is that the slash I've seen (and I'm told there's some that's Not Like That) reduces all same-sex friendships to "They want to get into each other's pants." The idea that all friendship, regardless of orientation, is based on sexual attraction is one that personally drives me crazy. Ask me how I felt when Mulder and Scully started makin' it on the X-Files. Gah.

I don't have much of an attachment to heterosexuality, but I do have an attachment to fidelity of character. I think what you're actually saying is, "Those who believe that heterosexuality or homosexuality is a reasonably-firm choice will have a negative reaction, whereas those who believe that everyone's bisexual and thus could fuck anyone at any time under the right circumstances will not have a problem."

[identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Women are reputed to prefer text erotica/pornography/term of choice to images, which might have something to do with this. Not all slash is erotica/porn etc, but even if a significant chunk is, this'd affect it, I'd imagine.


[identity profile] dapperscavenger.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
Well, duh.

Two hot guys getting it on is HOT. What about this don't you get?

[identity profile] pisica.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:19 am (UTC)(link)
I HATE GOLF SOOOOOO MUCH! THE NEXT PERSON I SEE WITH A NINE-IRON IS GOING TO HAVE IT WRAPPED AROUND THEIR NECK!

;)

[identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm not saying there AREN'T men who write for fun.... But, at least in the US (because, as we all know, that's the only country that really matters ;) at least, women are more likely to write and then show those writings to other people.

I wonder.... Do you think the gender breakdown is for authors of regular, non-slash fanfic?

[identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
Totally!

[identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
To raise a second point, do you like fan fiction?

If you don't like fan fiction at all, then slash fiction will hardly appeal. And many of the people who object to slash -also- have an objection to fan fictiom (me, for example), and so are hardly judging it on the content, whether heterosexual, homosexual or variants thereof.

[identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
reduces all same-sex friendships to "They want to get into each other's pants." The idea that all friendship, regardless of orientation, is based on sexual attraction is one that personally drives me crazy

It could easily be said that much of film and television these days has that idea (although for heterosexual couples only, for the most part)

[identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Well yes.

I would firmly place writers such as August Derleth in the "fan fiction" camp. Lovecraft does appear to inspire it to a worrying degree.

A -lot- of fan fiction is badly written, it seems. Yes, there is some that is very well written, but it's much like internet porn. There's some that is genuinely great, inventive, and does good things. But there's a vast amount that's just unpleasant, full of amateurs and people who ought to know better doing things that no one wants to know about.

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
If you don't like fan fiction at all, then slash fiction will hardly appeal.

Agreed. It's kind of annoying, though, that so many people start out saying "I hate slash!" when it turns out after discussion that they really mean "I hate fanfic!"

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
I hate brussels sprouts. The next person I see eating them, especially if they look as if they're enjoying them, is going to get ranted at, at length, about how horrible they are.

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
so why should I be different when it comes to slash, which tends to push the boundaries even further?

Because you think of homosexuality as something that "pushes boundaries", rather than as a normal human activity?

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
You might think you're joking

Who's joking? It's happened on my flist three times in the past year that someone who doesn't like slash has found it necessary to rant about how much they don't like it.

I would post a ranting screed about brussels sprouts, but it's not worth it.

[identity profile] wolflady26.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:51 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's more a matter that the character has, in canon, never expressed any tendency to homosexuality, but then, in slash, suddenly starts sucking cock like it's the new Pepsi Flavor of the Month, that pushes the boundaries of believability. A hidden obsession for any "normal human activity" in fanfic could be just as jarring. For example, if a fanfic centered on Spike's lifelong passion for horseback riding and career as a jockey, readers who are passionate about the character would probably call bullshit and feel alienated from the fan writer's characterization. And another, actual example might be the huge hubbub that happened in Buffy fansites when Dawn was suddenly introduced as a character, because she had no in-canon backhistory. Lots of people were furious, until the reason for her sudden appearance became clear.

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:57 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's more a matter that the character has, in canon, never expressed any tendency to homosexuality, but then, in slash, suddenly starts sucking cock like it's the new Pepsi Flavor of the Month, that pushes the boundaries of believability.

Yeah, I can see that for pairings with no canon support, but people who don't like slash often object even to such obvious pairings as Kirk/Spock, Avon/Blake, Sirius/Remus, Trapper/Hawkeye (TV series, anyway), Wooster/Jeeves, Duncan/Methos, and so on.

It's exactly like the way hordes of Buffy fans went nutso when Willow admitted that she was in love with Tara. That romance was absolutely the most foreshadowed of all the relationships in the entire series - yet there were so many Buffy fans who reacted with "But Willow can't be gay!" because, evidently, to them, having someone come out as gay "pushed boundaries": it wasn't something normal people naturally do.

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
People got furious about Willow and Tara.

[identity profile] yonmei.livejournal.com 2004-10-22 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't see any reason for the bit in ROTK where Elrond basically tells Aragorn that he has to stop Sauron or Arwen will die. Because saving the world isn't a good enough reason - he has to be doing it for his girlfriend!

But that's not the same thing as an sexualisation of their relationship.

Aragorn and Arwen canonically have a relationship that is acknowledged on both sides as sexual in the future tense (at least, one trusts that marriage includes sex, even in Tolkien's world).

What made Elrond's speech in RotK unwarranted was the distortion of motive, as if the filmmakers couldn't believe anyone would believe Aragorn was saving Middle Earth because he's a noble and heroic hero. (Maybe it was the scruffy hair.)

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