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2. pale

[personal profile] fanf 2024-04-05 11:17 am (UTC)(link)

I expected it to mention the English Pale around Dublin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale

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Re: 2. pale

[personal profile] nickys 2024-04-06 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, the article keeps repeating that the first usage was 19th Century and referred to areas occupied by Jewish people, and only at the bottom admits to the earlier use in English medieval colonial areas.
... not great given that we know that quite a lot of people only read the first few paragraphs.
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[personal profile] autopope 2024-04-05 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)

I'm guessing the Pale of Settlement in the Russian empire took its name from the earlier usage?

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[personal profile] channelpenguin 2024-04-05 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Somehow, I knew a "pale" was a post and that the phrase made sense as being about going beyond a boundary. I have NO idea why I knew "pale" was a post. Possibly because the extremely broadest of accents I had to deal with as a child would have pronounced "pole" as "pale"? (They certainly pronounced "door" as "dare". Not sure if it's Glaswegian or Ayrshire - East Kilbride spoke some random bastard breed of the two.).
Edited 2024-04-05 14:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] errolwi 2024-04-05 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
See also 'beyond the black stump' in Australia.
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[personal profile] calimac 2024-04-05 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
2) An even weirder misuse than "beyond the pail" that I've seen recently is "full proof" (for "fool-proof"). Googling it shows first, that the error is actually rather common; second, that "full proof" is actually a technical term in liquor distilling.
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[personal profile] autopope 2024-04-07 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)

Don't get me started on "free reign" (nonsense) vs. "free rein" (what the author really meant to use -- to give the horses pulling a carriage or cart enough slack to trot or run), and the less-frequently-tripped-over "free rain".