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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2021-03-16 12:00 pm
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Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2021-03-16 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The component list has several components which are fixed cost (control software for example) and several items where I think the costs scale in a non-linear way for significantl larger scheme.

It's got district heating scheme writen all over it. In French and German and Italian.
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Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2021-03-16 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
See my answer to Dewline's question.

And, difficult to tell in advance.

And another factor would be the cost of wind power which tends to be a little more synchronus with European demand. Or energy from waste schemes.

It's a very exciting time to be alive as an energy economist. Very exciting!
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Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

[personal profile] dewline 2021-03-16 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that a bad thing, though?
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Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2021-03-16 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
No, no at all. I actually think the fact that it's probably better suited for district heating might be an advantage when we consider the overall energy system costs.

Depending on how you build your 100% renewables grid you might end up having some quite expensive batteries doing very little. Charge up once in early autumn, discharge once in early spring. Or you might have extra long-distance HVDC cables running north-south that you only use the full capacity of for a few weeks of the year. Or you have an over abundence of solar PV so you balance your grid to supply peak demand rather than average demand and throw away power in the summer.

And some systems like this one might avoid some of those excess capital costs. So the individual systems themselves aren't the cheapest systems to run but they reduce the overall amount of power that other elements of the grid have to shift 3-6 months and cut the cost overall.

In which case there's a net gain to be had from providing some subsidy for these systems in some numbers. And that's probably easier to do if they are larger systems as part of shared heating system.
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Re: Aluminium Energy Storage

[personal profile] dewline 2021-03-16 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks much! This gives me additional context to think with!