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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2012-06-14 12:00 pm

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect some of the anti-Israel sentiment comes from people who (subconsciously) think of Israel as a modern western nation and anti-semitism as a thing of the past, and then get horrified when they realise what Israel's done. And also, Israel got a lot of uncritical acceptence from the west on the grounds of (a) being a sort of anti-holocaust and (b) being more like western nations in several respects, and I think there's a subsconscious feeling of "everyone knows all that, so to balance it up, we just have to keep pointing out that israel's done awful things, everyone knows anti-semitism is bad, it's not like we'll be anti-semitic by accident, oh oops, fuck"... :)

[identity profile] octopoid-horror.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of anti-Israeli (while not anti-Semitic) sentiment seems to be based around the nigh-unconditional acceptance of whatever Israel does by the United States, be it war crimes, criminal occupation, the ghettoisation of Palestinians, the current discussion around immigration and foreigners and the treatment of certain ethnic groups. Given that the politics and media of the US have such a massive global reach and influennce on the Western world, people can see it as important to voice their feelings if they aren't pro-Israel or neutral since Israel has the backing of a superpower.

Unfortunately, this can often lead to them voicing the same issues as actual anti-Semities, but for more valid reasons (ie reasons unrelated to Judaism or simple bigotry) or simply being cast as anti-Semites by the pro-Israel lobby as a simple way to discount their views without needing to argue against them. Also, due to the spectre of anti-Semitism in even reasoned political debate, some are afraid to talk about Israeli-related issues for fear of being labelled as such.

It is ironic that some outspoken Israeli politicians have more in common with European far right parties than the (real or supposedly) anti-Semitic detractors of Israel do.