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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2012-06-14 12:00 pm

Is the Guardian the most bigoted newspaper in Britain?

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, Robin Shepherd has written a lot of anti-Muslim/pro-Israel stuff.

I feel like the music stopped, and all the people with anti-Muslim opinions and all the people with anti-Jewish opinions sat down, but there weren't enough chairs in one place, so they ended up confusingly scattered across the political spectrum. And now I don't understand the political landscape any more :) (In truth, this is mostly my awareness, not a change in real life :))

Generally left/liberal circles, prominently including the guardian, definitely have an awful anti-Israel sentiment that spills over into anti-Jewish sentiment, which is rather awful.

But also, Israel has done some really really awful things to Palestinians, and if there's a "wipe Israel away" sentiment, that's pretty inevitable. And I don't agree with Hamas' rhetoric, but I'm not sure they can be ignored out of being a problem, and their main complaint is probably widely shared in palestine. (I might agree publishing it uncritically in the guardian is bad, if that's what happened.)

[identity profile] andlosers.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
A thousand times this.

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you

Re: Is the Guardian the most bigoted newspaper in Britain?

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the article about the guardian massively overstated the case here. I mean it is "published uncritically" -- in the sense that there's no editorial "beware, here be dragons"... however, what he published does not appear to deserve such editorialising in any case.

The original article is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/08/palestinians-reclaiming-our-destiny

On the other hand, the article linked does go some way to mislead, for example, including the Hamas constitutional promise to wipe out Israel without including Ismail Haniyeh's statement that he would be willing to accept a peace based around the 67 borders. So they include a general statement from the party without including the much more conciliatory statement by the author they are criticising.

Then take
“ We do not want more blood. We want help in achieving justice for our people who lost their land and freedom decades ago, and in providing security for a region that has long endured oppression and suffering.“

All lies, of course. Israel has never attempted to wipe out the Palestinians.


I find it hard to believe that even the most pro-Israeli viewpoint could deny that at least some Palestinians lost some land. Weirdly the writer counters instead by refuting an allegation the author does not make (he nowhere claims that the Israeli's tried to wipe out the Palestinians).

So, I guess I risk the accusation of a typical left-liberal bias to Palestine, but I found the article being criticised was much more even-handed than the article crticising it.

Re: Is the Guardian the most bigoted newspaper in Britain?

[identity profile] skreidle.livejournal.com 2012-06-14 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I was gonna say, "My, but this is pro-Israel pandering worthy of mainstream U.S. media!"

And I'm an American Jew who doesn't think Jews have a god-given right to so much as a clump of dirt.