Almost everything outside of the SF/F Kitten-Killing Volumes, I think. From what I've heard from editors and agents, 80k is pretty standard for non-SF/F genre (romance, mystery etc) and YA.
I recently talked with a publisher of a multi-author SF series, and they want 80,000 as a maximum length for their novels.
A lot of self-publishing people who are doing ebook-only stuff are going for shorter novels, too. Looking at the books Amanda Hocking has put on Smashwords (which gives word counts - I chose Hocking because she is inordinately popular), one is about 55,000 words, one is 62,000, and five range from 79,000 to 98,000. So 80,000 seems about reasonable.
Erin and I do 3 over and over and over again. We get about 75k in and just go "Oh, we know how it ends now" and don't bother to actually write it. Hence our... I would say about eight nearly-complete novels? There are way more projects than that but most are only about halfway in.
I was going to say that I would feel obliged to finish those if I was the storyteller, but of course one of those campaigns you refer to was my one and only game. That being said, I seem to remember that being because I'd just broken up with one of the PCs and was a little distracted...
5 - Writing the story down in about 3,000 words instead.
(Seriously, every single time I get a great plot idea, it turns into a short story. Even the longest piece of fiction I ever wrote, which was about 12,000 words long, felt unnecessarily padded.)
no subject
the story is still as fresh in my head as it was 5 years ago. If not considerably bigger and fresher.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
I'm currently reading The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms - 317 pages. Last book I read was Halting State - 334 pages.
We'd have to ask Charlie how many words there were in his book though, unless someone fancies doing a quick word count.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
A lot of self-publishing people who are doing ebook-only stuff are going for shorter novels, too. Looking at the books Amanda Hocking has put on Smashwords (which gives word counts - I chose Hocking because she is inordinately popular), one is about 55,000 words, one is 62,000, and five range from 79,000 to 98,000. So 80,000 seems about reasonable.
no subject
no subject
no subject
And I think it's why so many campaigns I've played have petered out 3/4 of the way through, once we're into the endgame.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
(Seriously, every single time I get a great plot idea, it turns into a short story. Even the longest piece of fiction I ever wrote, which was about 12,000 words long, felt unnecessarily padded.)