Speeding Fines

[andrewducker]

octopoid_horror let me know about the Finnish system of administering speeding fines:
KPH over the speed limit x daily salary.

So if you're 10KPH over the speed limit and earn hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, then you're in for quite a large fine.

Apparently this is how all reasonable sized fines work in Finland - they're expressed in days of pay.

I'm in favour.

Comments

[chuma.livejournal.com]

If I was driving dangerously, I am happy to be fined. If I am making an honest mistake because I care more about not running people over than sticking to the limit strictly, I am not. I fail to see the problem with this.

What I am saying is that unless you have sat behind the wheel of a car and driven that you have no concept of the realities of driving. Would you not agree that those with experience in a field should be the ones making laws?

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Statistically, the faster you're going, the more accidents you will get into and the more people will be harmed.

Or, put another way, "faster than parked IS FAST ENOUGH TO KILL!"

Less facetiously, at a certain point speed relative to the other people on the road with you *becomes* dangerous driving.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

Ambulances.

Police.

Fire Brigade.

Less fecetiously, at the point where you do not think you can break in time, you should not be driving at this speed. I could be going at the same speed as you, up your arse, and kill you, because I cannot break in time. Your point is moot.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Your point is moot.

No, you're simply either too stupid or working too hard at incomprehension to understand it.

Please try again.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

I have a pretty beefy IQ and I am far from stupid. Telling me this is largely pathetic, but mostly going to amuse everyone who knows me via Andrew Ducker. Have a read of the amazing logical fallacies webpage above complete with link to your failure.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

You claim it's "working too hard at incomprehension", but I still have my doubts.

Perhaps if you tried demonstrating basic literacy, and actually addressing what I *said* rather that what you wish I had said?

[chuma.livejournal.com]

You can doubt if you wish, but that would be a false assumption on your part. Frankly if you have to dismiss me as stupid to continue to believe your viewpoint, I think that says more about you than me.


"Perhaps if you tried demonstrating basic literacy, and actually addressing what I *said* rather that what you wish I had said?"

There is no need for the comma after basic literacy.

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

Not true. You could *try* to address what I actually said without being literate. That would just mean you'd do it wrong.

But if you tried and got it wrong, that would at least imply you knew what the words meant.

The fact that you claimed "Ambulances. Police. Fire Brigade" as a response shows that you either have absolutely no clue as to what I was saying, or no interest in addressing it. Both make you stupid. One is simply stupidity that could be corrected if you'd stop being deliberately stupid.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

All 3 of the examples go faster than normal traffic and are not deemed to be driving dangerously. This is because all of these drivers are professionals who are trained properly by experts. Your suggestion that simply going faster than other people on the road is dangerous is ludicrous in my opinion.

As long you have have to keep calling me stupid, you are losing your battle of wits more and more. This conversation can be read by others who know me who I am sure, regardless of whether they agree with you or me, know you are incorrect. I don't have anything to prove to someone who is coming across as an internet troll, but as a friend of andy's I have given you ample chance to backtrack rather than digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Being an elitest prick only works when you are elite (and even then, you are still a prick).

[theweaselking.livejournal.com]

All 3 of the examples go faster than normal traffic and are not deemed to be driving dangerously. This is because all of these drivers are professionals who are trained properly by experts.

Unlike normal drivers, yes, you're right. Normal drivers attempting to do what EMS do get arrested and fined.

Your suggestion that simply going faster than other people on the road is dangerous is ludicrous in my opinion.

Your opinion is noted. And also inept, uneducated, and moronic.

This conversation can be read by others who know me who I am sure,

Awww, it's "the lurkers support me in email" 2K!

Hint, son: I don't really care what other people think of your stupidity.

It's enough, for me, to know that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

Well thankfully I don't view my self-worth or perception of my intelligence on the back of 1 person's faulty assumption because I argued with him on the internet once. Though the moment you had to start making ad hominem attacks, your whole argument fell apart. Sad that you decided to start resorting to being childish instead of actually having a discussion. Again, it says more about you than me.

[cybik.livejournal.com]

Surely to monitor everyone to see whether they're driving dangerously as opposed to driving carefully is almost impossible? And, for example, my dad would argue he drives safely, but he doesn't.

You appear to be suggesting that the entire government of Finland can't drive and therefore shouldn't be making laws about it.

While it'd be nice for our governments to be experts in every field they pass laws on, that's completely unworkable. We'd have to elect thousands of different mini-goverments, each for a different field. This is why they have advisors. Sometimes the advice they receive is flawed and they often seem to ignore it, but that's the best workable solution I've seen. People cannot be experts in many different fields. They don't have time for that. You can't know the ins and outs of everything from genetic engineering to how the health system works to defense strategies, but that's what you're effectively demanding.

[chuma.livejournal.com]

It is more that interest groups lobbying the government seem to influence these laws in a "do it for the children" type thing. These are the same misinformed people who get laws in Germany attempting to be passed to bad computer games because they apparently lead to school shootings.