Things so horrible you never want to be in the situation to find them out #167

[andrewducker]

Collecting your own stool sample is _exactly_ as unpleasant as you'd imagine.

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[dalglir.livejournal.com]

LOL! *choke* *splutter*

(I was eating my cereal then)

[sneerpout.livejournal.com]

Ew. But still not as horrible as collecting someone else's, surely?

[andrewducker]

Should I ever have to do _that_ you can be sure I'll post to LJ about it :->

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

? shit in a box, spoon it into whatever container they give you, seal up container, dump box contents down loo, throw away the spoon and the container... nope, don't see a problem.

Unless you have the runs, (which I suppose you might).

You've lived with dogs and cats so must have had to clean up after them on occasion?

I'm intrigued - what exactly was so horrible about the experience. Yo dont' *have* to answer if you don't want to..

You said "Tell Me Everything"

[wolfieboy.livejournal.com]

The time that I had to collect my own stool sample, it was easy since the only thing coming out was liquid.

[andrewducker]

Either you have an instinctual aversion to dealing with your own faeces, or you don't. Attempting to explain it would seem pretty futile to me...

[thishardenedarm.livejournal.com]

oh i completely get it. i was once in a club where two people were publically getting a lot of pleasure out of dealing with each others...i really don't get that one. Takes all sorts of course, this thread might be providing minutes of auto-erotic pleasure for some of your audience.

[andrewducker]

Oh, if I can give a helping hand to the coprophiliacs in the audience then that's fine by me :->

I'm interested to notice that I've now given up completely on trying to persuade people of emotional things. That's definitely a step forward - and seems to be new to the last 6 months or so.

[thishardenedarm.livejournal.com]

now a Kleinian therapist would make a really big deal about you mentioning this emotional growth in a post about shit. ask your analyst.

[surliminal.livejournal.com]

*chokes with laughter*

[surliminal.livejournal.com]

Whereas I don't kniow HOW you did that "cleaning up after the dog with diahorrhea on the train " thing.. I'd jut have got off the train and fled the country for preference..

[andrewducker]

Meh. People deal with things just as bad, if not worse, on a regular basis. I know it's possible, and therefore I know I can do it. I just really don't like it.

[thishardenedarm.livejournal.com]

actually not primarily intended as a joke, the envious and destructive child, in Kleinian stuff, projects its shit into the bad breast of the one who refuses to nurture us. Klein is really visceral and primal in her psychic imagery, breasts dripping milk covered in angry shit (I think we might just have turned on more masturbators).

So looking after your own shit, not projecting your emotions onto others, and not expecting them to "get" yours is actually a very classic sign of growth.

[andrewducker]

Is it wrong of me to find that kind of psychoanalysis ludicrously funny? Or, indeed, funnily ludicrous?

[surliminal.livejournal.com]

Actually I do think the imagery of "dealing with your own shit" does have something going for it.

Just like when I got told that I ws grinding my teeth so much because I was "gritting my teeth and bearing it".

metaphors matter.

[marrog.livejournal.com]

I think I'd rather die of some sort of horrific disease than collect my own shit. I have enough trouble with urine samples. In fact, I'm generally not good on bodily fluids. Unless it's girl-juice. Or blood. Or plasma and pus are okay.

Hm. Maybe just shit and urine then. Go figure.

[thishardenedarm.livejournal.com]

depends, i think our reaction to it says something about our own psychic ecomomy. I look at Klein and think, yep, sounds about right, but thats because i know that part of me is all about the body and the fluids and the envy and the filth. If you fancy yourself a bit more rarified and narrative then go for Jung, if you fancy yourself as a creature eterenally alientated from itself by the monstrous imposition of language, go to Lacan (or Zizek) etc.

It's like different people reaction to their own shit.

[andrewducker]

That's possible because people _do_ grit their teeth and bear it?

And I have nothing against metaphors - just against people who take them too seriously. It's the age old mistake of building a metaphor that works in and of itself, but then trying to build on it/extend it as if it were literally true.

[andrewducker]

I mostly fancy myself a monkey that tells stories. Who do I get?

[thishardenedarm.livejournal.com]

me

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

Terry Pratchett?

(and a few popular science authors whose names escape me right now Damiaso?)

You are REALLY quite attached to this concept, aren't you? :-)

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

fair enough

[andrewducker]

Ian Stewart/Jack Cohen.

[andrewducker]

Well that's handy - at least you live in the same city, and aren't dead. Makes things a lot easier.

[channelpenguin.livejournal.com]

Don't go TOO far with it :-)

You know what I mean...

IMO, emotions still benefit from explanation and examination. You can neither just run with them or ignore/run counter to them. You can neither just accept other people's (and the resultant actions) or ignore/reject/disregard them.

Some things can be explained and shared, some can't. It's interesting to try, usually...