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andrewducker) wrote2025-05-27 12:00 pm
andrewducker) wrote2025-05-27 12:00 pm
Interesting Links for 27-05-2025
- 1. The US health system is now overseen by vaccine deniers. The effects are entirely predictable
- (tags:disease pandemic usa vaccines doom )
- 2. Hong Kong children urged to get Covid jabs as 'whole paediatric ward full'
- (tags:pandemic HongKong china children doom vaccination )
- 3. An Oral History of 'Lilo & Stitch' (the original)
- (tags:animation movies Disney Hawaii history )
- 4. German court rules cookie banners must offer "reject all" button (if they have an "accept all" button)
- (tags:cookies surveillance germany dataprotection GoodNews )
- 5. It makes no sense to cut funding to mental health services when that costs you money in the long run.
- (tags:mentalhealth money edinburgh )
- 6. How much energy does AI use?
- (tags:ai electricity )
- 7. Owls! in! Towels!
- (tags:owls cute photos )
- 8. Explaining a 31-month sentence for a tweet
- (tags:racism riots uk law )
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Re: 8
If you stand in front of 30,000 people in a public square and shout "Let's burn the hotels to the ground with the bastards still inside." then you are *also* going to prison.
Edit: The good news is that the equivalent of "You and your mates venting down the pub" exists! It's chat! You can go on to Messenger, or Signal, or WhatsApp (or even Twitter Messages if you really want to), and vent to your hearts content, and chances are that even if someone leaks it that the police won't care!
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awkward analogy. there's a difference between doing that on a PA with all the people listening to you, vs most people not paying attention and not even hearing you, and twitter is the latter.
and deleting the post shortly after is the equivalent of the few people listening to you telling you to fuck off, and you walking away.
> then you are *also* going to prison.
which should be based on harm done and future harm prevention, not arbitrary tough on crime bullshit.
> and chances are that even if someone leaks it that the police won't care!
well that's just not true. people absolutely get prosecuted for things said in "private" online conversations.
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What bothers me about this case is that "Do X for all I care" is not the same as "Let's do X". It's a statement of callous indifference, not an incitement to anything. I've never seen anyone acknowledge this, either when she was first charged and people were discussing it, or in the more recent discussions prompted by the failed appeal.
(and if the OP's position on that is that it was her own fault for pleading guilty: is that his position on criminals in general, even knowing the way the system pressures and threatens people to plead guilty?)
I'm also bothered by the inconsistency on what kinds of speech count as incitement to violence, such that this counts and merits 31 months in prison, but "k*ll the J*ws, r*pe their daughters" (clearly phrased as an instruction, and clearly targeting a specific ethnic group) doesn't, and "kill your MP" (again, clearly phrased as an instruction, and targeting specific individuals, which I thought was worse legally speaking) doesn't.
In an ideal world I would prefer none of these speech acts to be criminalised (although they should be condemned and disapproved of), but in a world where Connolly is in jail, the others should be too.
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(And I'm against punishing people for pleading innocent. Seems likely to lead to bad things.)
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But it's a great point about selecting protected groups of population. That's also "racist" (it's in quotes because these days everything's racist).
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Would you prefer "In a world in which *the UK* imprisons Connolly, *the UK* should also imprison these other people"?
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