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[personal profile] fub 2022-07-25 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
Non-citizens might have built their lives there, acquired a house, had children who grew up in their adoptive country. They might not have the right to be involved in the politics of their home country, but at the same time those politics can affect them very, very deeply indeed.

[personal profile] anna_wing 2022-07-26 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
That is true. But ultimately they are still only sojourners.
fub: The Shadow Girls from Revolutionary Girl Utena (Kashira? Kashira? Gozonji Kashira?)

[personal profile] fub 2022-07-26 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
22 years of living in a country, building a career and raising a family, paying into the social security and healthcare systems -- and still a sojourner? How long would an immigrant have to live in their adoptive country before you would consider them settled? What prerequisites are needed?
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[personal profile] dewline 2022-07-27 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Once you get past the five-year mark, I suspect we can make a case that non-citizens have committed to setting down serious roots in the new-to-them country. After twenty? They should get citizenship, if not by application, then by award for deep emotional and other investment.

[personal profile] anna_wing 2022-08-01 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
Citizenship.