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[personal profile] calimac 2022-04-15 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
What you're saying is so slippery I can't figure out how to relate it to what I'm saying. I mean, I said that the earliest Christians considered themselves to be Jewish, so why are you arguing that they were Jewish? I said that they then ceased to be Jewish, so why are you arguing that Christianity became a new religion? That's what I was saying. That the concept of the Christ derived from the Jewish Messiah is true enough, but that doesn't mean it was the Jewish Messiah. And now you seem to be saying that Christianity and rabbinic Judaism are equally significant changes from earlier Judaism (even if "not as radical" a change) either because 1) you don't know enough to say otherwise, or 2) there aren't any followers of earlier Judaism still around to complain about it. (Actually, that last is not true: there are still followers of pre-rabbinic Judaism around.)

I either can't say anything in response to this, or what I would say would be so angry and abusive that our host would disapprove. And I don't have time for that anyway.
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[personal profile] wildeabandon 2022-04-16 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
Let me start by apologising for the lack of clarity and for offending you.

I would like to answer your questions in the hope that if I can manage to express myself more clearly then you might find my position more understandable. But I am conscious that this is a fraught subject and don't want to risk compounding my offense if you'd rather just let the subject drop.
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[personal profile] calimac 2022-04-16 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I think it's better to drop it. I don't have the mental stamina to pursue this very far, and I fear that you're starting from premises I can't accept, the one I've alluded to twice now being the big one. Thanks for being considerate.
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[personal profile] wildeabandon 2022-04-16 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Understood, and thank you for being gracious in the face of my clumsiness.