Interesting Links for 05-01-2022

[andrewducker]

Are pheasants livestock or wildlife? (Schroedinger would be proud)

(tags:animals law ontology uk )

Here are the arguments Prince Andrew's lawyer is trying to use to get the rape case dismissed

(tags:rape monarchy USA law )

'90 Day Fiancé' star retires from selling farts after heart attack scare

(tags:headline gas wtf )

The UX on this small child is terrible

(tags:children ux funny parenting )

You Can Skip the First Few Seasons of Your Child's Life, Because It Doesn't Really Get Good Until Season 6 (This is remarkably accurate)

(tags:children satire TV funny parenting viaSwampers )

Public overwhelmingly against Tony Blair knighthood, poll finds

(tags:tonyblair uk politics polls )

Sony confirms PlayStation VR2's specs, first official game

(tags:VirtualReality PlayStation games consoles )

Female patients are more likely to die if thesurgeon is male

(tags:surgery women men society OhForFucksSake patriarchy )

Comments

[channelpenguin]

8. So, is it that male surgeons are somehow careless or incompetent with female patients (how?) or a different sexism where female surgeons only get to do the "easier" operations (on all genders) so that all the high risk ones are done by male surgeons? Or maybe if there's some kinds of surgery that women die / get complications from more easily than men, and those types of "riskier" ops are only done by male surgeons that could also (partly?) explain it. Perhaps female surgeons just don't feel riskier ops are worth it and do them far less often. How could we tell? Breakdown of the operation types and maybe lengths might help...

[andrewducker]

Male surgeons are certainly notorious for not actually listening to people. And particularly, doctors in general are terrible at listening to what women tell them about their pain.

[adrian_turtle]

There is a similar effect where Black mothers are less likely to die in/shortly-after childbirth in the care of Black obstetricians. Even with white doctors who had been well trained to be non-racist, the effect persisted. The article [In the Esteemed Journal of I Think I Saw It Somewhere] basically said they had measured the effect and found it statistically significant but did not know why it was so persistent.

Other people thought it might be because of not listening to patients. Consistent procedures that rely less on listening to patients did seem to reduce death rates. ie, measuring post-partum blood loss for everyone, so a problem will be automatically detected even if doctors don't take somebody's complaints seriously. That sort of thing isn't a complete failsafe, because there will always be problems your automatic procedures aren't set up to catch.

[naath]

aiui there is no difference for male patients, so it is unlikely to be 'female surgeons are better at surgery' or 'female surgeons don't do impossible surgery', I expect it is more like 'male surgeons don't listen to female patients so the follow up care is rubbish'

[channelpenguin]

But if female surgeons also avoid risky operations on male patients, that explains the equality there. 

I mean, I'm pretty sure it is probably both. I really really can't see all or most male surgeons being so crap.

Or wait ... there are no doubt VASTLY more male surgeons than female ones. Due to the fact that all us women have observed, that you have to be twice as good to be thought of half as well, maybe the quality of male surgeons just isn't as high across the board... and any less good female ones get hounded out of the job far quicker before they cause so much damage - while male ones are not so readily removed. Hence there's more less-competent male surgeons as % of the whole than there are less-competent female ones.