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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2021-03-20 12:00 pm
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Re: Outrage

[personal profile] lilysea 2021-03-20 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"No platform" makes sauce for the goose as well as sauce for the gander, which is why it is a dangerous tactic to rely on unless you are really sure that the preponderance of power (and, in a democratic society, public opinion) is with you.

I think it's a question of degree.

Group which promote out and out hate eg
Neo nazis;
anti-semitism;
racism;
homophobia;
transphobia

should not be allowed to
eg book meeting rooms at public libraries;
give talks at universities

but I don't support no-platforming for
eg disagreements about what the minimum wage should be;
or what income tax should be;
or what trade deals should be.

My threshold for no platforming is "is this talk likely to incite people who attend [or listen to a recording of it later] to verbal abuse, discrimination, or physical violence towards minority groups?"
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Re: Outrage

[personal profile] armiphlage 2021-03-20 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Any human rule is going to be misinterpreted and misapplied.

"Is this talk likely going to incite verbal abuse towards minority groups" would be used to ban all non-Christian non-male people from speaking by the minister of the church I had to attend growing up. In his worldview, followers of his religion were persecuted minority surrounded by heathen masses. Pointing out his sexism and bigotry was religious discrimination.

Re: Outrage

[personal profile] anna_wing 2021-03-25 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
That's the thing, isn't it? What's hate, what's not, what's appropriate discrimination, what's not (discrimination is just prioritisation of value at the societal level, every society has things it values more than other things, politics is one of the ways to establish that hierarchy). These are all contestable and contested. And if the contest is between unequal powers, then some thought has to be put into the appropriate tactics. Fighting on ground where your opponent is stronger is a high-risk choice.