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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2021-01-30 08:52 pm

I need to know how you feel about morality

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There is one true morality

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Yes, and I know what it is, and it accords with my own views
3 (4.8%)

Yes, and I know what it is, but it does not match my own views
0 (0.0%)

Yes, but I do not know what it is
6 (9.5%)

No
43 (68.3%)

Something Else I Will Explain In Comments
11 (17.5%)



To explain slightly, if you believe that there is a God, and that you know what the moral rules they set are, and you agree with those rules, that would be option one.

(Or you can replace "God" with "the natural order of things" if you believe that this includes an inbuilt morality.)
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-01-31 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
This Jew is okay with the popular summary, also used in Jewish settings my entire life. But if you prefer:

שׁוּב מַעֲשֶׂה בְּגוֹי אֶחָד שֶׁבָּא לִפְנֵי שַׁמַּאי. אָמַר לוֹ: גַּיְּירֵנִי עַל מְנָת שֶׁתְּלַמְּדֵנִי כׇּל הַתּוֹרָה כּוּלָּהּ כְּשֶׁאֲנִי עוֹמֵד עַל רֶגֶל אַחַת! דְּחָפוֹ בְּאַמַּת הַבִּנְיָן שֶׁבְּיָדוֹ. בָּא לִפְנֵי הִלֵּל, גַּיְירֵיהּ. אָמַר לוֹ: דַּעֲלָךְ סְנֵי לְחַבְרָךְ לָא תַּעֲבֵיד — זוֹ הִיא כׇּל הַתּוֹרָה כּוּלָּהּ, וְאִידַּךְ פֵּירוּשַׁהּ הוּא, זִיל גְּמוֹר.
There was another incident involving one gentile who came before Shammai and said to Shammai: Convert me on condition that you teach me the entire Torah while I am standing on one foot. Shammai pushed him away with the builder’s cubit in his hand. This was a common measuring stick and Shammai was a builder by trade. The same gentile came before Hillel. He converted him and said to him: That which is hateful to you do not do to another; that is the entire Torah, and the rest is its interpretation. Go study.
Edited 2021-01-31 10:41 (UTC)
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-01-31 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I’ve just noticed that the source I grabbed this from used masculine forms for when the convert was speaking about himself, but changed the vowels in the part where Hillel is talking to the convert to make the verbs feminine. Probably a typo, but interesting.

[personal profile] mme_n_b 2021-01-31 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You... just repeated what I said in a longer way. I'm going to take it as a signal that my own reply should have been shorter, containing only the words "do NOT do unto another".
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-01-31 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)

I thought you were scolding me.

[personal profile] mme_n_b 2021-01-31 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Jove forfend! Merely pointing out the difference between "do" and "do not", which I consider to be one of the key differences between Judaism and Christianity.