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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2020-01-24 12:00 pm

Interesting Links for 24-01-2020

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Church of England

[personal profile] wildeabandon 2020-01-24 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I would find "sex is permissible in mixed-sex civil partnerships but not same-sex ones" a vastly more offensive position than "sex is only permissible within marriage".

Obviously the failure of the CoE to recognise my marriage is a problem, but it's not news.

(Also the Church is more than just its leadership, and includes quite a lot of LGBT people.)
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Re: Church of England

[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-01-24 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
They have you coming and going, don't they?

I'm married in a straight relationship (ie one of each) but I'm still problematic because I'm a trans woman they don't seem to like that either.

Just how they suppose they'd know if I'm not saying is another question, however........ :o)
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Re: Church of England

[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-01-24 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always taken the view that God isn't too bothered about gender (as well as having a strange sense of humour)!
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Re: Church of England

[personal profile] wildeabandon 2020-01-24 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the CoE will marry (and recognised the marriage of) two people who are legally of different sexes, no matter what their asabs. There is an allowance for an individual priest to refuse to conduct the service if they know that one partner is trans, but they can't prevent another priest doing so in their church, and the guidance also says explicitly that there's no duty to disclose.

I am slightly curious as to what would happen if someone put off applying for their GRC until the day after their obviously same-sex but legally mixed-sex church wedding, but obviously that requires a willingness to turn your wedding into a political protest, which isn't a choice that many people are going to want to make.
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Re: Church of England

[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-01-24 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Now you still are whatever they might think if the transitioned partner deals with the necessary paperwork, but there was a time that it got complicated.

I know a couple that pre GRA had to change their marriage to a civil partnership because (the horror) same sex marriage and then post GRA they were able to get married again!

Nuts doesn't begin to describe it!
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Re: Church of England

[personal profile] cmcmck 2020-01-24 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
We solved the issue by having a civil wedding (thank you Stirling registry office). I didn't want to confuse folks by insisting on a Quaker wedding when most of my acquaintance, not to mention my husband, aren't. :o)

Having transitioned in the seventies I was taught that blending back in was the safest way to go, so yes!