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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2019-09-12 01:44 pm
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2019-09-12 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
If I were the Republic of Ireland, I wouldn't want to deal with the DUP on a day-to-day. Why invite your friend to move in if they're insisting on having their douchebag right-wing over 24-7?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-09-12 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Back during the height of the Troubles, I would ask Irish Republicans who insisted on the annexation of the North, "Why do you want a polity with Ian Paisley in it?" I guess the point is still valid.
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-09-12 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"the northern states don't want to throw out the ones with a ton of racists in them"

Don't be so sure. Supposedly one of the famous thought questions in the Google job application is "If you had to eliminate one of the 50 states, which would it be?" My answer would be, "Can I have two? Texas and Florida." This despite the fact that I have both friends and relatives in Texas; they'd just have to move. (I had relatives in Florida too, but they were all very old and are now buried in Wisconsin, where they came from.)
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[personal profile] skington 2019-09-12 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
The correct answer is Delaware, to send a message that the race to the bottom to be as corporate-friendly as possible is now over.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-09-13 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
Why Texas and Florida?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-09-13 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
Inevitably Republican despite large Democratic minorities, and lots of electoral votes.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-09-13 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Reunification would be a tricky business just on the politics along.

For Reunification one needs a Border Poll. One has to assume that a Border Poll would be close. Say 55%-45% in favour.

That leaves about half of the population of NI having voted not to be part of the country they are now in.

Republic of Ireland population 5m. Nothern Ireland 1.9m.

So that leaves 850,000 Republic of Ireland citizens having voted against being in the country, about 12% of the total population (or the United Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.)

If you split the 45% in to three groups 15% On Balance Best to Remain in the UK, 15% Very, Very Keen on the UK, 15% Being in the UK is Foundational to my Life and Self-Identity you are probably left with 300 thousand people who just will never accept that they should be living in the country that they are now living in. 4% of the population being very angry for a very long time about being in the wrong country sounds difficult to manage to me.

I wonder if you might see lots of Ulstermen immigrate to the Mainland following a vote for reunification.

And do Celtic supporters then adopt their own version of the Famine Song?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-09-13 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
And contrast to the Protestants who are totally opposed to joining the Republic, the Catholics who are totally opposed to remaining in the UK, and you have in a nutshell the reason the Ulster problem is insolvable and has caused so much headache over the years.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-09-13 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not insolvable.

It had been solved.

Between Irelend, Northern Ireland, the UK and the EU we'd created an jurisdiction and a geographic zone with a constructively ambiguous status and with sufficient protection for individual rights and for the various historic communities interests. What we needed was about three generations of peace, open borders, the rule of law and some sort of improvement in the material standard of living within the EU.

What we got was Farage and Cameron and the rest of the clown car parade that they ushered in.
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-09-13 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
No. It was ingeniously papered over, but it wasn't solved. This might have evolved into a solution in time, if the scab hadn't been picked over, but Brexit threatens to tear it wide open again.
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[personal profile] naath 2019-09-13 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
The City & the City; clearly needs to be taken more seriously