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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2019-05-06 08:52 am

Where are we on Brexit?

It's been a while since we had one of these, and I wanted to get my thoughts in order.

The local elections last week _should_ have sent a solid message. But, of course, Corbyn and May are saying that the message it sent was "More Brexit Please". However, they've still not got any chance of getting a deal over the line.

Labour won't accept a Brexit deal with the Conservatives without a customs deal of some kind*. And Theresa May agreeing to that would cause at least 100 of her MPs to vote against it.

Meanwhile, two thirds of Labour MPs are saying they won't vote for any Brexit deal which doesn't have a second referendum attached to it.

Plus, of course, the EU have said that all they will edit at this point is the political declaration, the actual withdrawal agreement is sealed.

And if the government decides "The hell with this" and call a general election we end up in a situation like this:
Conservatives: 279
Labour: 268
Liberal Democrats: 29
SNP: 51 (I think, looking at the other numbers)

Which means you'd need Lab+Lib+SNP for a solid majority**. Coalition of Chaos indeed!

*As far as anyone can tell the Labour leadership are still thinking that they can have a customs deal that gives them lots of access to things, but without having to give anything up. As they aren't about to be able to directly negotiate, we're not likely to see their unicorns run into a brick wall.

** Although Labour could aim for a minority government and just dare others to vote against them. Or pick just one of the other two parties to have a formal agreement with.
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[personal profile] autopope 2019-05-06 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Good numbers. The problem, I suspect, is that Scottish Labour will have a cow if UK Labour make nice with the SNP. Not for ideological reasons: a UK-level Lab-SNP pact directly threatens their jobs by putting their whole reason for existing into question (both parties are broadly left wing/social democratic, and if the SNP can cooperate with Labour at UK-national level, then what use is Scottish Labour anyway?).
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2019-05-06 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Aye.

I'd go further. The SNP are a pure existential threat to the Labour Party in Scotland. I think they fear that other than a difference over the Constitution there's no difference between them. There's a risk that Labour just stop having a point.
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[personal profile] skington 2019-05-07 09:09 am (UTC)(link)
“What use is Scottish Labour anyway?” is pretty much the story of Scottish politics for the last 10 years or so.