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andrewducker) wrote2018-09-24 12:00 pm
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Interesting Links for 24-09-2018
- Majority Of Voters Back Urgent Reform Of Westminster System
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- Why it matters that Bert and Ernie are gay, which they are
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- Octopuses on MDMA reveal genetic evolution link to human social behaviors
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- Continental Drift - It's amazing how recent anything even vaguely resembling modern continents arise
- (tags: geology geography video time )
- How the World Map Looks Wildly Different Than You Think
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- Solar panels replaced tarmac on a motorway. Here are the results.
- (tags: solarpower roads fail )
- App update rejected for mentioning iPhone XR in release notes
- (tags: apple wtf )
- Chechnya starts concentration camps for gay men, first time after Hitler
- (tags: lgbt homosexuality Chechnya fascism bigotry OhForFucksSake )
- Labour's new Brexit referendum would not offer option to remain in EU, says John McDonnell
- (tags: Labour UK Europe OhForFucksSake )
- No one understands why DC is now removing Batman’s penis from comic
- (tags: comics penis censorship )
- Malware Disguised as Job Offers Distributed on Freelance Sites
- (tags: jobs malware virus OhForFucksSake )
- “Unadoptable” shelter cats get second chance at life by chasing mice
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2nd Referendum on Brexit
A referendum can't be made binding on Parliament which is sovereign even over the EU, despite the claims of the Loony Leavers. Retail politics, the horrible gooey stuff on the underside of the rock you lift to examine the process, demanded the victors on the day got their A50 declaration from the seated Government of the time because failing to do so would mean Opposition status for the next decade or two due to millions of ukippers walking away from the Conservatives. It's the same reason Labour is so antsy about reversing A50 even if they were given the chance as a seated Government. It's very unlikely May or her successor will offer them that chance by calling yet another General Election soon. She could do it after B-day and leave them to clean up the mess, of course.
Out means out. We're leaving, unless the current Government is willing to commit electoral suicide for a generation or more by recalling their Article 50 declaration. Worst case, say hello to Prime Minister Farage. Don't think it couldn't happen here.
Re: 2nd Referendum on Brexit
The legislation could be passed in a day if needed and the referendum could be held next week, if Parliament so willed it.
Whether this would improve the situation for the UK, for Scotland, for Parliament, for the any of the parties, factions or individuals at Westminister and beyond or for the concepts of democracy and legitimate government is a moot point.
I think a less damaging route to a second referendum lies in a failed vote in Parliament, the Tories collapsing, an inconclusive general election and the the new minority government being told that it has to extend Article 50 and have a referendum to work out what its position is.
Beyond that the prospect of a second referendum plays the role of a fleet in being. So long as it is talked about it widens the range of the Overton Window and keeps Remainers circa 2020 with a grievance about the process that led up a poor Brexit sufficiently so that it gives comfort a Rejoin campaign.
Re: 2nd Referendum on Brexit
We're headed for a no-deal exit, all other options on the table have deal-breakers for the British (Norway, Canada plus) or the EU (cherry-picking). With luck we'll have some administrative stuff in place by March 29, aircraft and pilot licencing etc. but trade is going to be destroyed until the pieces can be picked up and glued back together, months or years after. My view is that the consequences will hit so hard we'll petition to rejoin the EU promptly by but that's the best hope for a shit situation.
Re: 2nd Referendum on Brexit
I think you're right about the lack of will in Parliament. Until we experience the reality it will be difficult to articulate clearly and persuasively a change in the mood of the nation in the way that translate in to Parliamentary action.
Legitimacy is the word. A second referendum in a hurry might be a useful way for a government or for Parliament absent an effective government to shift responsibility for whatever might be about to happen from themselves to the people but you are right it would be open to all kinds of legitimacy issues.
We are certainly heading for something breaking. Either the UK or the Tory Party.
Re: 2nd Referendum on Brexit
I know which one of those I'm more willing to dispense with. Unfortunately I see non-trivial odds that both will go, which will give me a little bit of schadenfreude at the fall of the party responsible while not mitigating the problems of the fall of the UK one whit.