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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2018-01-23 12:10 pm

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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2018-01-23 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
We do seem to have more NI-type crazy here in Scotland than we'd like to admit. Probably. No one will admit to it. MLW did some work on sectarianism a few years ago. Lots of dark talk about how it continued to influence thing in the Central Belt but not a lot of concrete examples that people were prepared to talk about.

And we've had MSP's sent bullets for daring to wear Celtic shirts.

As an atheist Aberdonian and Edinburgher and an immigrant to both from England I'm a little flummoxed by the whole thing.

My only direct experiences of it are being viewed with suspicion by the local policeman in Limivady and the being visited by Orangemen looking for a toilet during the annual Orange March from the Meadows.

I'd quite like to avoid the Republic's cronyism too. That's something I fear Scotland could get really bad at.

Combining the two would be toxic.
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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] alithea 2018-01-23 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.

We have an Orange march that goes past our flat every year - much to the Boy's delight, being an Irish Catholic by birth :( Although last year there were more police marshals than marchers, and there weren't that many of them!

I get the impression that it's worst in Glasgow and some parts SW of it. Certainly the Boy has bad experiences of being Irish in Glasgow when Rangers are playing.

A yes to the cronyism too, it's definitely something I got whiffs off from the SNP when Alex Salmond was in charge, less so now, but I suspect it's just moved down a level and therefore become less obvious.
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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2018-01-23 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Salmond was definately chummy with a number of people who perhaps got more influence over policy than they ought.

Or just got free golf courses.

The Orange March here seems to have moved. When we first moved in it was very large and right on the Meadows and there seemed to be hundreds of buses coming in from all over Scotland. If you half closed your eyes and didn't listen to the speaches it looked quite jolly. Until you remember what it is actually about.

There is also a limit to the number of bad covers of The Sash My Father Wore that one can listen to before one starts reaching for Spotify and a list of reggae covers of the Spice Girls Greatest Hits or Songs of the Venga Boys Re-imagined by Julio Inglesiaz and Ricky Martin.

Anyhow, I haven't seen it recently. Perhaps we have been away when it happened. Perhaps it has moved to some other park. Perhaps it has stopped happening.

The other stranger march was a march in commemoration of some Irish socialist nationalist (Tom Connolly). I've only seen that once but there was definately a lot of police compared to the number of marchers.

Aye - Irish Catholisism and Rangers home fans are not a happy mix.
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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] alithea 2018-01-23 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm neither Irish, Catholic nor a football follower but it seems to me like the only times there is ever trouble in Dundee over football it is because Rangers are playing. We've had riot police outside our flat on at least 3 occasions and the front of the building egged once.
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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2018-01-23 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Rangers are not a class act. Neither the club nor the fans contribute positively to the nation. I was delighed when the were liquidated and relegated to the lower divisions. The best thing that has happened to Scottish football since Aberdeen won the European Cup Winners Cup.
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Re: Bridge to Belfast

[personal profile] alithea 2018-01-23 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed! The only time I've been cheered by football news in my life ;)