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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2018-01-23 12:10 pm

Interesting Links for 23-01-2018

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[personal profile] alithea 2018-01-23 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Lucy Worsley did an excellent programme on the partition of India as part of her 'British History's Biggest Fibs' series - unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be available on iplayer at the moment. Hopefully they'll repeat it at some point.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2018-01-23 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Given how wrong Churchill was about lots of things I'm a bit surprised he did so well during the Second World War.

I think the British people of the 1940's had a good handle on him given how quickly he was dumped in '45 for Attlee and socialism.
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[personal profile] calimac 2018-01-23 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
In one of his election broadcasts, Attlee actually thanked Churchill for, in his own broadcast, having claimed that Labour would have to enforce socialism with some sort of Gestapo. About his close colleagues of 5 years' standing it was astonishingly dismissive, and it showed, Attlee said, the difference between the war leader and the party politician.

(And I think it was David Low who drew a post-election cartoon featuring a cheerful war leader Churchill saying to a grumpy party-politician Churchill, "Cheer up, they'll forget you but they'll remember me.")

Churchill, of course, didn't get the point at all, and referred to his war victory as having been rewarded with the Order of the Boot.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2018-01-23 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I think one of Churchill's main problems was that he couldn't see that things were not always about him.
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[personal profile] calimac 2018-01-23 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it just has to be put in the hopper with all the things he did do right, which were considerable.

It's a pity that his warnings against Hitler were dismissed, for instance, but it wasn't just because the other politicians were obtuse. It was because, through long experience, they couldn't trust Churchill's judgment. At the same time he was denouncing Hitler, he was - in terms equally apocalyptic - also denouncing Gandhi.

And this after both major parties had agreed to move India towards self-government. Churchill was incensed about that.