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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2017-12-20 12:39 pm
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[personal profile] drplokta 2017-12-20 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I drive on a lot of narrow country roads, and no one goes at 55 or 60 on them, which would indeed be most unsafe. They only go at that kind of speed on wide country roads, the ones that are wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite directions, which most country roads are not.
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[personal profile] calimac 2017-12-20 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
What we have here is different definitions of "wide" and "narrow." The topic was roads with 60 mph speed limits, some of which, as I noted, even have A number designations. All of these are wide enough to allow cars to pass in opposite directions, but they're no wider than that. Iron control of the exact placement of your car on a twisty lane hardly wider than the car is necessary to keep from hitting either cars going the other way on your right or close-in stone walls on your left.

In the US, as I said, even daredevil speeders wouldn't take a road like this at more than 45, and very few country highways here are that narrow. The fact that you consider this "wide" is possibly an explanation for why UK drivers barrel down them at 55 or 60.

On the narrow lanes, as I'd call them, usually not designated with highway numbers at all, which is what you're calling "narrow country roads," they do indeed not go that fast. But on straightaways with no car coming, they still pick up far more speed than one would in the US.
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[personal profile] drplokta 2017-12-20 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I assert that your distinction between wide and narrow country roads is useless, since they all fall on the narrow side and so there are no wide ones at all, according to you. And note that the genuinely narrow ones all still have 60 limits.
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[personal profile] calimac 2017-12-20 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
there are no wide ones at all, according to you

I said nothing of the sort. I'm talking about the roads discussed in the article. To quote from it: "winding roads ... a country road [where] you shouldn't be doing anywhere near 60 mph ... where it is inappropriate to drive near the limit ... rural roads with narrow lanes, blind corners and slow-moving vehicles."

There are plenty of roads in the UK that do not meet that description, and not just motorways. On those, it is perfectly safe to drive that fast (albeit then they tend to drive even faster). But those roads are not on the table in this discussion.
Edited 2017-12-20 16:45 (UTC)
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[personal profile] naath 2017-12-21 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
A roads vary from 'practiclly a motorway' to 'oh god I'm going tno die why is this road so tiny'. Indeed sometimes the same road... (th A5 begins s an extension of the M54 and turns gradually into a road that is barely 2 lanes). British roads are sometimes stupidly categorised. But I would use "country roads" to refer to roads without a number in rural areas.... which are all narrow.
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[personal profile] calimac 2017-12-22 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the people in the article were referring to roads which they consider unsafe to drive at 60 but which drivers take at 60 anyway. Since [personal profile] drplokta and I both agree that nobody drives on 60 on the roads too narrow for cars to pass by, we're clearly talking about the less-motorway-like end of the category of A, and sometimes B, routes.

I'm calling these roads "narrow" because I'm an American, and roads are generally wider here. That [personal profile] drplokta considers those same roads to be wide, because two cars can get by each other without squeezing, to my mind suggests why they drive at 60, which by American standards would be horribly unsafe on such a road.
Edited 2017-12-22 22:41 (UTC)