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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2017-07-26 12:00 pm

Interesting Links for 26-07-2017

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Electric Vehicles Only

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2017-07-26 11:11 am (UTC)(link)
There are definately some real infrastructure challenges to come with the expanded use of electric vehicles.

240v overnight charging for people with their own drive or private parking space is pretty straightforward.

It gets harder if you are trying to do on-street charging, charging at higher voltages for shorter periods or charging during the day.

I think I share the articles view that by 2040 there will be very few internal combustion engine passenger cars. If you assume that electric vehicles are cost competitive without subsidy by 2020 and a twenty year life span for passenger vehicles that leaves you with a relatively small rump of ICE passenger vehicles in the early 2040's. So I think this is a classic act of government regulation of the school of "We've decided that by X date in the future you won't want Y, so we're going to ban Y starting from date X+n."

I don't think electric vehicles on their own have a huge impact on city scapes. You lose petrol stations and gain electricity grid reenforcement and probably on-street charging posts all over the place. Streets become quieter and cleaner which will make being outside nicer. (Edinburgh will be a awash with pavement cafes.)

It's autonomous vehicles and in particular transport as a service which I think has a profound effect on how we build and use cities.
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Re: Electric Vehicles Only

[personal profile] armiphlage 2017-08-01 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
There have been proposals to equip all new lampposts with electrical outlets for electric cars. Of course, such infrastructure takes decades to replace through natural attrition; they'd just be getting switched over to whatever the next generation of transportation turns out to be.
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Re: Electric Vehicles Only

[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2017-08-01 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the info.

Looks like there are some trials in London. It looks like a neater solution than adding extra bits of kit to the street.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/london-street-lamps-electric-car-charging-points-ubitricity-tech-firm-hounslow-council-richmond-a7809126.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-4607870/A-1-000-conversion-turn-lampposts-EV-chargers.html

There are something like 31 million cars on the road in the UK. If you assume you need one charging point for every five cars at £1,000 a conversion the direct costs are about £6 billion pounds. That's before you have to pay for beefing up the local distribution network. Sub-stations are in the region of a £100k.

If they can be fitted in 30 minutes then the installation team could do, say, 12 a day. 6 million units needed. 500,000 installation days. So a thousand teams could do that in two years, a hundred teams could do that in twenty years.

I don't think there is any getting away from the fact that converting our cities for wide-spread electric vehicle use is going to be expensive and take some time. I think it's the right thing to do but it's not free of challenges or bottle-necks.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2017-07-26 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
It's big issue for power plants is water.

Not just the availability of water for steam raising or the temperature of water for cooling (colder being better) but the temperature of the water you can dump back in to rivers or seas without boiling the fish.

Many of our river basins are already pretty close to capacity with regard to how much more heat dumping they can take.
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2017-07-26 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
The real politics that come into it, though, are exactly as Charles said: intimidation tends to work best.

Ouch
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[personal profile] armiphlage 2017-08-01 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Greenhouse gas emissions rise with warmer water too.

The theoretical maximum (Carnot) efficiency of a steam turbine is based on the temperature differential between the superheated steam (limited to about 540 C before the turbine blades start to deform under load) and the condensed steam (about 25 C). The condenser has to be warmer than the cooling water to get an adequate heat transfer rate. So if your intake water rises from 5 to 25 C, you'll have to raise your condenser temperature to perhaps 45 C, dropping efficiency and increasing fossil fuel consumption by 4% or more.

(note: in Canada, water from the bottom of large lakes is a constant 4 C. Smaller lakes "turn over" in the summer, when sufficient heat in the upper levels pushes the thermocline down to the bottom of the lake. Suddenly the whole lake is warm, and rotting bottom vegetation makes the whole area stink. Cottages with deep intake pipes suddenly have warm smelly water instead of cold clear water coming from the taps).
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[personal profile] danieldwilliam 2017-08-01 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
That's a good point on the knock on effect on greenhouse gases.

I remember when I worked in the energy sector being struck by how much the output from our CCGT's varied as clouds went over the cooling tower and then looking at how the performance of our plants in England compared with pretty much indentical plants in the south-west of the USA and in Spain.
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A fascinating discussion between Guy Verhofstadt and various members of the House Of Lords

[personal profile] jack 2017-07-26 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, they do all sound quite sensible :( I wish Brexit was being run by someone sensible :(

I'm only more worried about NI. At first I wasn't, I didn't think anyone would be willing to screw it up. But now, Brexit seems more inevitable, and no-one seems to have any suggestion for the GFA :(
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Re: A fascinating discussion between Guy Verhofstadt and various members of the House Of Lords

[personal profile] jack 2017-07-26 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, no :( :( :( But people could at least talk about a least-bad. Or, preferably, abandon brexit entirely.