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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2017-07-24 12:00 pm

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How are things going with the Hugo Award attempts to deter slates?

[personal profile] jack 2017-07-24 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems comparatively positive. In particular, the requirements that any changes need to be voted through in two successive worldcons seems to have done a good job at turning out some sensible proposals. In 2015, I was annoyed there was no way to emergency ban the troll entries. But in retrospect, it was worth having two years of turmoil and a *good* amendment to the voting system, than a quicker fix (especially considering how easy it is to put in something badly thought out).

Reading the post in more detail also made me realise, I'd got the impression E Pluribus Hugo would lead to less ability to nominate multiple works, but it seems, it doesn't, which makes me a lot more positive about it. I should have realised that earlier, but I correctly expected that whatever passed was probably a fairly good proposal.

The one thing I'm not sure is covered is, I would really like it if pre-approval, or being voted below no award, removed a work's "finalist" status. But I do see how that could lead to recriminations if people campaign against valid but disliked finalists.
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Re: How are things going with the Hugo Award attempts to deter slates?

[personal profile] theweaselking 2017-07-24 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The three-stage-voting process would eliminate "finalist" status from items that didn't make the final ballot.

Submitting a proposal such that works and people who lose to No Award shall not be considered Finalists would be fine, but it would be new this year (assuming you could get it into the meeting) and wouldn't take effect until after 2018 ratified it.

re: EPH: The design goal of EPH and EPH+ is that no individual should be punished for nominating any thing or things, but no *group* of identical or near-identical ballots should be able to dominate the process. You and your closest 100 friends can get *anything* on the ballot, but you have to either pick one thing or accept that *one of* your picks is making it on, but not necessarily your first choice.