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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2012-05-04 12:00 pm

Interesting Links for 04-05-2012

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the story about PE putting girls off exercise baffled me a bit too, in my experience PE lessons put *everybody* off exercise. With the possible exception of the one or two kids in each year who were really good at sports, on whom the PE teachers put all of their focus, while the rest of us proles were ridiculed, bullied and generally treated like shit.

... I have zero respect for any of the PE teachers I had at school.

One of them even gave me detention once because I had the temerity to have a letter from my doctor excusing me from doing sports that day because I had a chest infection.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
I actually liked PE at school (I'm a girl); even though I was utterly dreadful at almost all the things we did and no better than mediocre at anything. There's clearly a huge variation in how well PE is taught (and how well teachers manage the bullying tendencies).

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
My biggest complaint was in the way the PE teachers cleared off from the changing rooms at the end of lessons, during the mandatory communal shower.

I'm not sure which bright spark thought it was a good idea for teenagers to have to take communal showers on their own, because it was really the place the very worst bullying I've ever seen took place.

And despite complaints from parents, the PE teachers refused to do anything about it. Character building they called it.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, but if the communal showers are supervised then you get people complaining that the teacher is perving on them. This is probably what the bright spark was thinking (if they were thinking).

We didn't actually do communal showering except after swimming where we showered in our swimming kit; which I guess is a bit gross, but at least avoids the bullying.

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
This is probably true. Though the teachers could have sat in the corner of the room without a view of the changing rooms, and maintained discipline.

The lazy fuckers all pissed off to their office to have coffee though.

[identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha. If I have reason to complain about PE teachers I will jolly well forge letters from a doctor and fake hospital appointments, and moreover, I will do it in a painfully obvious way.

I have a lot of stored resentment against PE teachers, just waiting for an excuse...

[identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
There seems to be a lot of variation. Some people get the random bullying which is sometimes stereoypical, which is horrible for just about everyone except some of those who are naturally talented.

I went to a fairly good school, and the PE had no bullying, and seemed fine for most people, but I wasn't very good, and didn't have the ambition to catch up, so I got high marks just for trying, but never really got into it, and didn't really get the idea that PE was a good thing to do, which seems to be the case for some people at most schools.

(And indeed, I think many people had a similar experience in academic subjects -- however hard people tried to teach well, if someone has fallen behind and doesn't understand the subject, they're going to fall into "just try to fake it for the exam" mode, and never really get it -- many people and many schools only ever really operate in that mode.)

So I don't know if it's truly MORE of a problem for some classes of people -- it seems likely, but not really demonstrated. But either way, it woudl be better if PE was in general fun and inclusive, even if you weren't very good.

[identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
John Gatto has the theory that eliminating most people from effective competition (by not teaching them and destroying their faith in their ability to learn) is the purpose of conventional schooling.

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to think teaching of PE has improved in recent years, I know there has been a big push towards improving teaching across the board in schools in the last decade or so.

I think my school was maybe just particularly bad for having a department of really awful PE teachers. I can remember one particularly glorious day in our 6th year when we were given the choice between doing PE or taking Bridge classes with the depute rector for the year.

And as a whole, the entire of 5th and 6th years stood up and went down to the end of the hall that was offering Bridge. Leaving the grand total of 3 pupils choosing to do PE. (Who were the kids that were really good at sports, who were the PE teachers chosen few.)

I don't think they ever let kids choose between PE and Bridge again after that, because it was such a humiliation for the PE department. But if ever there was a message that they were doing something wrong.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I got a lot of praise at school for actually bothering to show up to PE, with all my kit, reading-willing-and-able to give it a go. Sure, I didn't get top-notch coaching at anything; but I was taught that giving it a go could be fun, and I wasn't taught that being useless at everything made me a useless person.

We didn't do very much team stuff, which helps - with more individual sports you can give more individual advice to people, allowing the best to get useful coaching whilst the worst can see they are achieving something.

[identity profile] bracknellexile.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
"PE lessons put girls off exercise (and me. I hated them.)"

I'm fairly sure I'm not parsing this the way it was intended :)

[identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Coming here from FetLife caused me to read the CBT headline with a completely different meaning than intended.

All I could think was "I've never tried CBT, but I think it would keep me awake!"

[identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
That's exactly what I think *every* time I see the initials.

[identity profile] bart-calendar.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too!

Plus can you imagine if that kind of CBT worked to solve insomnia??

[identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
For someone I used to date, it did. :)

[identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Fair play to the Guardian for publishing that article on Mr Murdoch. Unlikely to be a popular viewpoint with its readership. I wonder if William Shawcross will now be subject to the same level of abuse that Louise Mensch was, or does that only happen to women?

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Abuse> I expect he'll get a lot of abuse; but mostly not of the same type.
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[personal profile] i_kender 2012-05-04 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
YAY new Culture novel! I LOVED the last one :)

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
What was the last one? I forget.

[identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, of course, I remember. Yes, that was a good 'un. Not as good as Excession. But still pretty good.
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[personal profile] i_kender 2012-05-04 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
My favourite thing about the Culture books has always been the names of the Ships/AIs. They always make me laugh.
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[personal profile] i_kender 2012-05-04 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I love them so much :) Just had an enjoyable read through the list, perfect for a dull Friday afternoon!

(also - icon love)

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay for the Endless.
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[personal profile] i_kender 2012-05-04 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
\o/

[identity profile] momentsmusicaux.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I only just saw the other day there's a new non-M book out! I have some catching up to do!
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[personal profile] i_kender 2012-05-04 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, thanks! *clickyclicky*

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
MPs' pay...

I think MPs should be paid the national minimum wage and if they have a requirement for a second home it should be at the level the council would provide for a single person (their family, if they have one, should be living in the primary home). They should be able to expense only the cost of public transport between their homes (not private car use). (I know MPs also have office related expenses, which they still need to have paid).

This isn't because I think MPs are vastly overpaid fatcats; it's because these people set what the minimum wage is, they set what level of accommodation is deemed to be acceptable, they don't actually run the public transport network but they do dictate much of its funding. I want MPs to experience just how bad life on what they have determined is "enough" money, "enough" house space.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that's a risk I'm willing to take.

I'm sick of MPs making all these decisions about systems they don't ever have to rely on, with no compassion for the people who do.

Oh yes and- MPs should be absolutely banned from sending their children to private schools, or obtaining private medical care for themselves. Of course once they are earning 6quid/hour they won't be able to; but maybe we could start there.

[identity profile] skington.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem you'd have there is that you'd basically be saying "we don't want anyone with a University education (unless they're inherently rich enough not to care)" - which means that MPs will almost certainly not have the skills to wade through the (necessarily complicated) text of proposed laws and regulations. So civil servants and lobbyists end up running the show.

This is effectively the same argument against part-time legislatures: if it's not your full-time job to write laws, then other people will write laws for you.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Or invested enough in the process to put up with it.

Although mostly my hope is that this would raise the standard which we claim is the "lowest acceptable" standard of living.
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[personal profile] fearmeforiampink 2012-05-05 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
When the Commons gets filled with people who are already wealthy from other stuff? Unlikely

[identity profile] khbrown.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Another thing that could be done is preventing MPs from holding other jobs whilst an MP and then placing a limitation that they could not work as a company director or lobbyist etc. for, say, five years after they ceased becoming a MP.

[identity profile] khbrown.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The equivalent of 'eating your own dogfood' in IT terms?

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem is that this used to be the system (indeed more so, MPs were not paid). It ended up that only extremely wealthy people became MPs. The original reason MPs are paid is to avoid this.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Right, MPs should certainly be paid; because it's wrong have only people who can afford to support themselves.

But remember that they are claiming that the minimum wage and a bed-sit are ACCEPTABLE LIVING CONDITIONS for many people. If they themselves are not willing to live in those conditions why are they claiming they are acceptable?

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I see your point but the end effect would be that only rich people became MPs.

[identity profile] naath.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Well. There shouldn't be. OK, not "wish to" but "be willing to choose to" because we can all wish for palaces of crystal floating in the clouds but we ain't gonna get it. I think that gap needs fording in both directions - the minimum standard needs to go up; but the level that people like you, me, MPs, etc find tolerable, that level needs to go down because we use way too much of the world's resources.

I accept I'm never going to get this to actually happen though. Because,well, people are selfish and want nice stuff.

Maybe we could require MPs to try living at that level for say... 1 week a year? at least let them see what the working poor are living with.
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[personal profile] chess 2012-05-08 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a TV show a while back where MPs went and lived with actual poor people for a week. It didn't seem to help. (Also, MPs who are doing their job correctly do work incredibly hard - I think there's a difference between 'living conditions which are fine for someone who is working a fairly low-engagement job for 40 hours a week' and 'living conditions which are fine for someone who is working twelve hours a day, is expected to always be ready to be On Camera at no notice, and is expected to have somewhere they can do quite a bit of that work at home'...

[identity profile] pete stevens (from livejournal.com) 2012-05-04 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not within MPs power to set the minimum wage to be £25k in todays money and the minimum housing standard to be a 3 bed terrace with no more than a 30 minute commute to work. If it was don't you think they'd immediately do it tomorrow and win the next election with a landslide?

Just as I don't want my airline pilot to be worrying about if he can afford cup-a-soup when he's supposed to be flying me around, I don't want my MP leaving the house of commons early to pick up some extra cash working behind the till in their corner shop when they're supposed to be attending an important vote.

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I am pretty sure that in Europe the ruling is that an IP address is personally identifiable information. A few years ago we were collecting a major database of internet traces for researchers and needed to know what level of anonymisation was suitable.

Now obviously if it was legal for me to publish a plain IP address and every IP address it connects to people would raise hell.

The main law we had to deal with was the one about the release of personally identifiable information. Hence we had to ensure that the IP addresses were suitably anonymised.

Without that legal protection (that the IP address counts as personally identifiable information) I'm not sure there would be much to stop an intermediate carrier (say your ISP) from publishing all the IP addresses you connect to. (They would not because it would be commercial suicide -- nonetheless it is good to have legal protection in place to stop this).

My point is that completely decoupling IP address from personal identity might have unexpected and bad consequences in european law.
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[personal profile] simont 2012-05-04 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
In reality, of course, it's one of those in-between things: IP addresses are probabilistically connected to people's identities, which is enough connection to justify considering their leakage a privacy risk but not enough to justify considering them sufficient evidence of wrongdoing in court.

If a legal system is fundamentally unable to hold both sides of that statement in its head at once, it has a problem.

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I imagine eventually something more nuanced will emerge.

I wonder what the equivalent for a postal address is.

If the police can prove someone living at my address committed a crime, I presume they also have to prove who or prove that only one person lives there.

If a newspaper wants to libel someone living at my address without specifying who (assuming that more than one person lived there) I would hope that would be actionable by me.

[identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Related to the quiet hands link: Try to Feel It My Way by Suzette Haden Elgin, about people who are "touch dominant"-- who have touching things as a major way of getting information and feeling comfortable in the world.

[identity profile] eatsoylentgreen.livejournal.com 2012-05-04 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I hated gym class too. Except once, where they had us do circuit training. They laid out gym class, had us running in circles, calisthenics, working out with weights... I got in such good shape during that unit, when they just said "here's the space, go to it."