[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-02-21 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Eating something that tastes as much like real meat as possible is missing the point.

That rather suggests you're a vegetarian because you don't like the taste. What if you're a vegetarian who thinks that meat tastes good but you are willing to abstain for ethical principles.

[identity profile] strawberryfrog.livejournal.com 2012-02-21 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I am primarily an ethical vegetarian, and I find the idea of pretending to eat meat somehow wrong. It really wasn't what I was aiming at. To use a crude analogy, if someone who had sex with chickens said to you "well, if you don't want to fuck an actual chicken, we can always get you a rubber chicken to pretend on", you'd think their reasoning was basically flawed, even if the rubber chicken felt good.

The other problem with fake meat – indistinguishable from dead animal – is how do you tell them apart? How do you know which you are being served?

[identity profile] steer.livejournal.com 2012-02-21 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Decaff coffee and caffienated coffee look and taste similair yet somehow people manage to serve both and caffiene intolerant people manage to order them.

I think the chicken example is flawed. If I said I greatly enjoyed the taste of eating meat but abstained for ethical reasons people may find this admirable. If I said I enjoyed the sensation of having sex with chickens but abstained for moral reasons then people would be unlikely to admire this. I do not think anyone but a lunatic would find someone reprehensible for enjoying the taste of meat.

[identity profile] strawberryfrog.livejournal.com 2012-02-21 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that we're not understanding each other - it's an imprecise analogy. I'm not really talking about the taste, but about simulating the action.