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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2012-04-17 12:00 pm

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[personal profile] nameandnature 2012-04-17 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
She wants to make it illegal to be drunk in public.

It already is illegal to be drunk in public, or to be drunk and disorderly (Wikipedia, with cites of the statutes).

I think the comparison to the smoking ban need not imply that we should only worry about drinkers who are damaging the health of others or harming the NHS (though [livejournal.com profile] woodpijn uses those examples).

It is _none of her business_ what my state is, unless I am causing destruction of property or harassing people. Should I wish to get horribly drunk then that is _my_ choice.

The law disagrees, and I think rightly. According to the CPS, you need not be a damaging properly or harassing people to be disorderly, you can just be making a public place unpleasant ("rowdy behaviour in a street late at night which might alarm residents or passers-by"). The CPS link came from this thread, where it's discussed a bit.

What Ann Widdecombe proposes seems to be to enforce existing laws, plus a bit of the old Tory "put them in the stocks" business. I doubt the stocks will work, but I'm in favour of enforcing these laws, because doing so would make public spaces better.

There's also the Schroedinger's rapist argument, I suppose: saying I should not be concerned about drunks I encounter as long as they're not violent pre-supposes I know which ones might turn violent so that I can go about my business in public without fear (as long as my spider sense doesn't start tingling). In practice people don't have the spider sense, so you end up with no go areas at certain times.
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[personal profile] nameandnature 2012-04-17 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreement has broken out!