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[personal profile] tobyaw 2011-08-28 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Useful? Apple has long had strengths in education, with writers, in music production, graphic design, and in publishing. All areas where the quality and attention-to-detail that characterise Apple products are appreciated.

[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2011-08-28 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Spoken like someone who doesn't know the meaning of "power user" or "custom workflow", indeed.

The really useful media products have always been Adobe, not Apple.
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[personal profile] tobyaw 2011-08-29 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
"Always been" is a bit strong. Adobe may have owned the high-end pixel-pushing market with Photoshop, but Illustrator spent a long time playing catchup with Freehand, before Adobe twice bought Freehand, and eventually killed it. The DTP market was ruled for years by PageMaker (later bought by Adobe and killed), Framemaker (later bought by Adobe and turned into a niche product), and Quark, before Adobe introduced InDesign.

For professional video editing, Adobe's Premiere is an also-ran in a world of Avid and Final Cut. And Adobe do nothing in music recording and production.

And most of the above would be running on Apple hardware for serious work.

Not why you bring up "power user" and "custom workflow", since both would apply to high-end use of Apple kit.

[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2011-08-29 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Not why you bring up "power user" and "custom workflow

Because Apple actively cripples non-default workflows and removes all ways for a power user to do things by a different, faster, or more efficient way, of course.

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[personal profile] tobyaw 2011-08-29 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Mac's have shipped with automation software for almost twenty years. Most applications are scriptable, and custom workflows can be developed with regular Unix scripting languages, or with GUI tools like Automator. Macs ship with a rich Unix userland, with most of the tools and languages that you'd expect.

Microsoft and Adobe apps, among many others, are highly scriptable on the Mac.

In what way does Apple "cripple non-default workflows and remove all ways for power users to do things by a different, faster, or more efficient way"?

[identity profile] dreema.livejournal.com 2011-08-29 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
working in education and working on the set up of a county wide windows active directory covering three academies and their associated primary schools, we had a request for one lab of mac machines for the art department. They got their machines, but i'm still trying to get them to integrate into our AD setup and actually do something useful. They might be nice to look at, and work as standalone machines, but see if you actually try and get them to play nicely with others, they just suck.

The AD integration tool they supply, you can see 1000 objects. That's it. It doesn't distinguish between users or computers, and it definately doesn't use the directory structure we put in place. I gave up in disgust and left it to a point where i have more time.
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[personal profile] tobyaw 2011-08-29 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
So you equate usefulness of a computer with your ability to configure Windows networking on it?

[identity profile] dreema.livejournal.com 2011-08-29 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
well in this case yes, it's usefulness does depend on it's ability to play well with others. We have it so that a student can go to any machine in the building, and they get their home drives and preferences given to them. In the mac lab they always have to go to the same machine, and all the files are stored locally. We've already got the infrastructure in place, so it'd be nice if we didn't have to reinvent the wheel. Given the scope of the what we do, we don't have the time currently to devote to getting it all working together.

[identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com 2011-08-29 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Quite. AD and OD just don't get on. It's getting less worse with each OS release, but it's still not very useful.