[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
What do *you* think Anglo-Saxon means, then?

Because from where I sit, you're a longstanding supporter of openly racist politicians, a rabid xenophobe, who uses racist slurs and defends their use, and who just said that critical thinking was a form of "intellectual rigor is found primarily in the [any White person whose native language is English and whose cultural affiliations are those common to Britain and the US | of or relating to the White Protestant culture of Britain, Australia, and the US | A member of one of the Germanic peoples, the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes, who settled in Britain in the fifth and sixth centuries. Any of the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons] world."

If you're going to claim that ONCE AGAIN you had no idea what you were saying, and that ONCE AGAIN you didn't know what any of the words you used meant, then I really want to know what you think you were saying, and why anyone should assume it wasn't just more of your ignorant casually racist ouevre.

[identity profile] philmophlegm.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Calm down dear...

In this context, 'Anglo-Saxon' is a term used in continental Europe to refer to the economic system typified by the United States and the United Kingdom - that is, a rather more liberal economic system than the more corporatist and statist models of say France.

It has nothing to do with descent from certain Germanic tribes of the second half of the first millennium AD.

You're obviously interpreting something that I can't see in gwendally's comments. Since I can't see it, and he/she can't see it, at least consider that it isn't there at all, and that you are seeing 'racism' in places where it isn't.

I don't know gwendally, and for all I know he/she might be a Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard or a Nazi war criminal in hiding. But I see no evidence of racism in front of me, so calm down before you accuse someone of being a "racist".

[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
In this context, 'Anglo-Saxon' is a term used in continental Europe to refer to the economic system typified by the United States and the United Kingdom

Interesting concept, but it would hold more water and be more likely to provide an explanation if Gwendally wasn't from Massachusetts and didn't regularly expose the fact that she's barely aware that non-US countries have differences.

And if she didn't regularly say the most astoundingly fuckwitted racist things - and then didn't, regularly, defend them by claiming she didn't know what any of the words meant.

for all I know he/she might be a Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard or a Nazi war criminal in hiding.

Nope. Just a white American with a profound fear of the other, a crippling lack of curiousity, and a severe overestimation of her own education and intelligence.

But I see no evidence of racism in front of me

Someone with a long history of making racist statements said "only white people do critical thinking. Intellectual rigour is why white people are better."

[identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh no, she said only a specific type of white people. Totally different. ;)

More seriously, [livejournal.com profile] philmophlegm's saying that they don't see any evidence of racism in front of them. If they opened up the article long enough to read the Guardian byline--thereby providing a context for the term which caused them to assume it referred to the UK/USA--and then the only thing they saw was [livejournal.com profile] gwendally's two comments, I could see how they both failed to perceive racism in her comments and didn't see enough to bother to call her on the creative rewording WRT "climate scepticism"/"scepticism".

Edited 2011-11-13 15:31 (UTC)

[identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Just a minute, honey... I can call you honey, right? Or dear? Maybe pet? >.>

I absolutely agree that [livejournal.com profile] gwendally can't see it. However, given that she uses ethnic slurs and would rather go on for a full day about how that's totally fine (in a long and rambling series of answers in which she reiterates factual errors after multiple sourcings of accurate information), I would move to consider her own assessment of whether or not she is unconsciously expressing cultural attitudes towards race to be... weighted. Yes.

Also, cherry-picking meaning so that "anglo-saxon" means what the author may have it mean, but the explicit use of "climate sceptisism" totally gets stripped down to "sceptiscism" and criticised on that level? I'd consider that a bit thin in terms of intellectual honesty.

[identity profile] apostle-of-eris.livejournal.com 2011-11-15 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
. . . for values of “liberal” several hundred years out of date. Though, since you're replying to someone who seeme to think that he actually is geneticly Anglo-Saxon, that's pretty avant garde.